Trade Deadline Prediction Thread

[ComixZone]

Trade 1:
To PHI: 2019 1st round pick, 2019 7th round pick
To CGY: Wayne Simmonds (50% retained), 2019 4th round pick

Philadelphia still gets a 1st despite a "buyers market".

Trade 2:
To NJD: Michael Frolik, Michael Stone, Spencer Foo, 2020 2nd round pick
To CGY: Marcus Johansson, Ben Lovejoy

New Jersey does this because they get a 2nd and a B-prospect, while also adding two additional players to play for them and then sell at next year's deadline for additional assets.

Your 2019 NHL Playoff Roster:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Simmonds
Johansson - Backlund - Lindholm
Bennett - Jankowski - Czarnik
Tkachuk - Ryan - Neal
Hathaway, Mangiapane, Dube, Lazar

Giordano - Brodie
Hanifin - Hamonic
Kylington - Andersson
Valimaki - Lovejoy
Prout

Smith
Rittich

Treliving improves the team while also removing cap concerns for next year, which may give them the ability to play in free agency or re-sign Simmonds/Johansson.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by David Struch

To Kings: Kerby Rychel + CGY 2020 2nd round pick

To Flames: Jonathan Quick (retained)

Contract has 5 years remaining at $5.8 million Cap Hit but last three seasons of actual pay is 3.5, 3.0 and 2.5.

I can't see how this would matter much to a team like the Flames when the cap-hit is unaffected.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I can't see how this would matter much to a team like the Flames when the cap-hit is unaffected.

Think it's because it potentially makes it very easy to move on from him in two seasons.

Can move him to a cap floor team like Phoenix, Florida, etc where that having a cap hit higher than salary is attractive.

[flambers]

1. The player(s) the Flames will acquire:
Kevin Hayes

2. The player[s]/asset(s) Flames will give up:
Jon Gillies, 2nd - 2020

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Trade 1:
To PHI: 2019 1st round pick, 2019 7th round pick
To CGY: Wayne Simmonds (50% retained), 2019 4th round pick

Philadelphia still gets a 1st despite a "buyers market".

Trade 2:
To NJD: Michael Frolik, Michael Stone, Spencer Foo, 2020 2nd round pick
To CGY: Marcus Johansson, Ben Lovejoy

New Jersey does this because they get a 2nd and a B-prospect, while also adding two additional players to play for them and then sell at next year's deadline for additional assets.

Your 2019 NHL Playoff Roster:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Simmonds
Johansson - Backlund - Lindholm
Bennett - Jankowski - Czarnik
Tkachuk - Ryan - Neal
Hathaway, Mangiapane, Dube, Lazar

Giordano - Brodie
Hanifin - Hamonic
Kylington - Andersson
Valimaki - Lovejoy
Prout

Smith
Rittich

Treliving improves the team while also removing cap concerns for next year, which may give them the ability to play in free agency or re-sign Simmonds/Johansson.

Simmonds isn't a first liner. Tkachuk isn't a fourth liner. Johansson for Frolik seems like spinning wheels to me except you get a rental for a guy with another year.

I don't see the Flames improving from this trade.

[dissentowner]

Flames - Zuc

Rangers - 2020 2nd and Foo

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

What does this even mean?

I really don't care about how you value players and assets as much as I do about your misplaced sense of urgency. This year is already a resounding success regardless of what happens in the playoffs. I am MUCH more interested in long-term growth into a perennial contender than I am in blowing high-end prospects for a single shot now.

Besides all that, adding goalies in late February is historically something that tends not to work out very well.

I agree, long-term growth and development should be the team's top priority.
It's the best way to manage the cap.

If the Flames never trade away assets for a rental, that'll be okay. I'd rather have a lot of pretty good chances at the cup, rather than one extremely good chance at the cup. See Washington, Pittsburgh, and Boston for proof.

On a different note, I think Foo has less value than what most people think. Quine and Gravoac are only a year older, yet are each almost doubling Foo in points. Rychel, Lazar, Dube, Phillips, and Gawdin are all younger than Foo, yet have more points than him. I get that Foo might be a late bloomer, but that his offensive production isn't giving him any value.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Simmonds isn't a first liner. Tkachuk isn't a fourth liner. Johansson for Frolik seems like spinning wheels to me except you get a rental for a guy with another year.

I don't see the Flames improving from this trade.

I think it makes them better, but I don't like the trades themselves - I was just spitballing what I could see happening if we lose out on the bigger fish. I don't like viewing lines like the ones I proposed as "1st" "2nd" "3rd" "4th" - it would be about icing 4 lines that can all drive the play at high levels. That said, Tree and Connie have both said no 1st rounders for rentals.

I actually hate rentals and don't think we should be going after them. If you want to acquire a worthwhile piece and have them extended long-term (Duchene, Stone, Panarin), I'm all for it. Spending assets on half-measures and mid-level talent just boils down to bleeding assets for no good reason (...Brian Elliott trade). Mid-level talent is available every summer for free, so only pay to acquire top-end talent or players you believe to be on the brink of being top-end talent.

[devo22]

some of the proposals in here scare me. Shocking that quite a few fans would so readily give up high-end prospects and 1st rounders for pure rentals. Quite short-sighted IMO, but I fully expect Tre to have a more long-term approach.

I still hope we only add a depth defenseman like McQuaid or Nemeth for a mid-pick and call it a day.

[bettercallbettman]

Originally Posted by devo22

some of the proposals in here scare me. Shocking that quite a few fans would so readily give up high-end prospects and 1st rounders for pure rentals. Quite short-sighted IMO, but I fully expect Tre to have a more long-term approach.

I still hope we only add a depth defenseman like McQuaid or Nemeth for a mid-pick and call it a day.

Who on earth do you consider to be a high-end prospect? A high end prospect to me could get Panarin straight up.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Dube

Who on earth do you consider to be a high-end prospect? A high end prospect to me could get Panarin straight up.

"high end" as in the best ones in our prospect pool. You know, like this great Swedish rookie defenseman who you'd be so happy to trade alongside a 1st and other pieces in order to get a pure rental goalie with a .904% save percentage.

[bettercallbettman]

Originally Posted by devo22

"high end" as in the best ones in our prospect pool. You know, like this great Swedish rookie defenseman who you'd be so happy to trade alongside a 1st and other pieces in order to get a pure rental goalie with a .904% save percentage.

Already have him pegged as a great, unreal. I’ll have what you’re having. BOB would light it up in a new environment. Maybe adding a 1st was a bit overkill on my behalf.

[Textcritic]

It is possible that the poster Dube is actually Peter Chiarelli.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Dube

Already have him pegged as a great, unreal. I’ll have what you’re having. BOB would light it up in a new environment. Maybe adding a 1st was a bit overkill on my behalf.

it's called patience. You should try it.

Andersson is 22, right-handed, with a great learning curve this year and a lot of potential. There's no way I'd trade that guy for a rental, especially with both Brodie and Hamonic being UFA next year.

[djsFlames]

Can we just make predictions without all the whining?

[Geeoff]

-Flames trade Gillies for a pick
-Mark Stone re-signs in Ottawa
-CBJ trades Panarin. Keeps Bobrovsky

[Hot_Flatus]

Coming in:
Ryan Dzingel

Leaving:
Conditional 2020 2nd round pick (2019 3rd round if not re-signed) + Dillion Dube

[Vinny01]

I think there will be at least one sizable trade that no one saw coming.
I think the Wild continue to tear it down a little bit
I am going to predict Columbus does nothing
Winnipeg and Nashville battle it out for the big fish and Nashville gets Duchene
Stone re-signs
Flames end up with one of the Rangers (Hayes/Zuccarello)

[Krynn]

I dont think we should go after Wayne Simmonds.i just have a bad feeling about him and I think Philly will want a ridiculous price for him .

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Krynn

I dont think we should go after Wayne Simmonds.i just have a bad feeling about him and I think Philly will want a ridiculous price for him .

I am not enamoured with the idea of acquiring Wayne Simmonds, but this has turned into a buyer's market with players like Duchene, Stone, Panarin, Hayes, and several others all available. It is going to significantly diminish whatever Philadelphia might expect in return for a lower-tier player like Simmonds.