Friedman's 31 thoughts - Feb 19 - Flames are a stealth destination for Duchene?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Zuccarello/Hayes/Nyquist/Johansson/Burakovsky/Dzingel/Henrique/Hoffman . . . . These are the names I think we should be gunning for.

Seems like Panarin/Duchene/Stone are going to cost a fortune I'm not sure it's worth giving up for a rental. Even signed, these guys are going to cost money we really need for Tkachuk.

Yeah, I am leaning that way now too. I am not sure what Duchesne and Panarin are looking for in their next contracts, but it seems very unlikely that we could sign any of them and I don't think giving up a tonne for a pure rental is necessary. A star player would be nice to add, but really, we would be perfectly fine just adding some depth and secondary scoring.... and maybe a bit more grit. I would be thrilled with either Dzingel, Hayes or Zucarello. Simmonds if the acquisition cost was low.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Trading Michael away will help get Mark here?

Duchene here Stone in Ottawa.

[sun]

I like Duchene, but don't really see him as a fit here. Would prefer Stone, but that contract is crazy. Some size for the playoffs would be ideal. Zuccarello is small and shoots left, but he plays with jam at least.

Hayes is my vote for a rental is Stone is a no-go. He's huge, can score, good hands, good playmaker, two-way player, right age, Johnny connection. Seems like a good fit here. Does not strike me as a guy who will sign long-term in a city like Calgary though.

[Ozy_Flame]

My bad.

[powderjunkie]

Zuccarrello seems like the option based on acquisition cost, risk vs. reward, and possibility of retaining for a few more years if the fit is right.


I worry that trying to re-sign Stone could have negative consequences on the cap structure - I think blasting the 6.75 'limit' out of the water for Stone would actually pull Tkachuk's number up with it), and I'm not sure it wouldn't result in at least a little subconcious discontentment from Monahan and Gaudreau - right now they can easily reconcile their 'low' AAV's as being simply a timing issue, and that at least everyone is in the same boat. If a brand new guy and a relatively new guy (Tkachuk) each get $2M+ more per year than you, it would be impossible to not feel at least a little jaded about it.

My gut says that BT manages to keep Tkachuk at 7.95 and all remains well in the world.

If Stone were a Center I might think differently, but I don't think investing ~$25M in three wingers is the recipe for success. For me, there are 3 main priorities to address in the next few years, and Stone doesn't help any of them:

- capable goaltending tandem (the playoffs will help illuminate who Rittich really is and whether we need a 1A or 1B to pair with him)
- finding Gio's heir apparent (maybe he's already on the roster, or maybe it can be achieved by committee, but resources will be needed for a legit top-pair guy as Gio starts to decline
- Another first or second line center as Backlund hits the wrong side of 30 (perhaps this is Janko or Lindholm, perhaps not)

[Split98]

Originally Posted by FlamesNation23

The more i think about it, the more i realize that Zuccarello would be the best deadline addition. He will be much cheaper than stone and i think he is exactly what this team needs. If it goes well we can try signing him to a reasonable number after trading frolik. Paying long term for Mark Stone just seems like a recipe for disaster and while Duchene would be nice, the cost too much imo.

I had the Rangers/Penguins game on the other day, and Zuccarello's name came up non-stop. The guy was a scoring chance factory that game

[Vinny01]

If Duchene was brought in long term I would wonder where Jankowski fits in the whole scheme of things. I think ideally Ryan shifts to the wing.

Let’s say it looks something like this.

To CGY: Duchene
To Ott: Stone, Dube, 1st, conditional pick (if he re-signs)

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Duchene-Bennett
Frolik-Backlund-Ryan
Mangiapane-Jankowski-Hathaway

Neal comes back for the playoffs and plays 3rd/4th line? The Backlund unit is straight shutdown and we roll 2 scoring lines?

[Love]

Originally Posted by sun

I like Duchene, but don't really see him as a fit here. Would prefer Stone, but that contract is crazy. Some size for the playoffs would be ideal. Zuccarello is small and shoots left, but he plays with jam at least.

Hayes is my vote for a rental is Stone is a no-go. He's huge, can score, good hands, good playmaker, two-way player, right age, Johnny connection. Seems like a good fit here. Does not strike me as a guy who will sign long-term in a city like Calgary though.

I think Duchene could be the ying to Tkachuk's yang. Duchene has the dynamic gamebreaking ability that none of our forwards can consistently possess outside of Johnny. There have been the character concerns and his defensive game is questionable... All I know is that if Tre get's him, it was probably the best value he could get.

[442scotty]

Flames can’t afford a big fish but could certainly see them try to get Dzingel or Burakovsky. Or even Ferland if he agrees to re-sign

[Love]

Trading Dube would hurt.

[Ozy_Flame]

I am also realizing that Michael Stone might be a key ingredient to Mark Stone resigning in Ottawa . . . Wonder if that makes it easier for Tre working with Dorion to get Duchene or Dzingel.

[Toonage]

At this point in time Michael Stone is a non factor. He's injured. Obviously he can't play right now and his return is unknown. No one is trading for him.

[Split98]

The options Treliving could have in-front of him for a top-6 are pretty damn good

Stone
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Stone

Duchene
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Bennett - Duchene - Tkachuk
(assuming Neal is out)

Zuccarello
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Zuccarello

But I have to think that Stone combo is the strongest, with Zuccarello being a huge key to building a PP2

[colbym72]

Michael Stone may never play hockey again. He has no value

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Toonage

At this point in time Michael Stone is a non factor. He's injured. Obviously he can't play right now and his return is unknown. No one is trading for him.

Can he even be traded? Or is it fine as long as the Sens know what is up?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Can he even be traded? Or is it fine as long as the Sens know what is up?

Regardless, why would they risk that?

Pay him $3.5M for another year just for the right to overpay his brother?

[The Yen Man]

All this talk about Michael Stone making it easier to sign Mark Stone, is that a known thing, or are people just speculating based on people just automatically assuming a player would want to play with their brother(s) on the same team?

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Trading Michael away will help get Mark here?

My proposal was for acquiring Duchene. Trading Michael to Ottawa would help Mark re sign in Ottawa

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

All this talk about Michael Stone making it easier to sign Mark Stone, is that a known thing, or are people just speculating based on the fact that people just automatically assume a player would want to play with their brother(s) on the same team?

Speculation. Just giving Stone more reason to sign with Ottawa if he can play with his bro (assuming he would like that).

We'd probably have to give him too, considering the cap implications, especially for Duchene.

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

All this talk about Michael Stone making it easier to sign Mark Stone, is that a known thing, or are people just speculating based on people just automatically assuming a player would want to play with their brother(s) on the same team?

Speculation