What to do with Brodie and Hamonic this off-season?

[SeanCharles]

The issue is with the salary cap in place and the need to re-sign Tkachuk, Bennett and Rittich there is little doubt we will need to offload some salary. We also need to sign a 2nd goalie and truthfully could use an upgrade in the forward ranks, specifically a RHed one as we only have 1 top 9 righty.

To me the players that make the most sense to be moved, in order to free up capspace, are:

1) Frolik
2) Stone
3) Brodie

Frolik and Stone are the obvious choices and I wouldn't be too surprised to see both traded in the offseason. Those two being shipped out would likely create enough space for us to keep everyone else but considering we have 3 emerging youngsters on defence I think someone else will need to be moved, at some point in the next couple seasons, in order to allow the young guys to play in the top 6 as regulars.

Hanifin and Gio are here long term and Hamonic is unique within our organization so IMO Brodie is the most logical player to move on defense when the time comes.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHockey

A year ago you all would have given your first borns to see Brodie traded for a first rounder. Now so many people are saying he's a core piece that should be untouchable. Funny what a season with Gio will do to a player.

Definitely Gio is a key contributor to the ascent of Brodie. However, let’s not lose sight of the fact that Gulutzan was a two year anchor on Brodie’s career.

That Brodie is a core piece in our team is down to a number of factors, one of which is that TJ Brodie is a damned fine hockey player in his own right.

[Itse]

I like Brodie better than Hamonic, but I agree moving him next summer might make a lot of sense.

It's not that the kids are as good yet, but they provide some of the same elements.

I would also argue that Brodies game dropping off a cliff is way more likely than Hamonics. He's been more up and down in his career, and guys like Hamonic are often quite effective well into their thirties, offsetting loss of speed with experience and positioning. That said, Brodies skating is so good there's a decent chance it stays top level until the end of his career. There's also apart of me that would like to see him finish his career as a Flame.

But, the way to keep a window open is to keep replacing older guys with younger ones. And for that we need draft picks and prospects. Brodie could bring in a haul that's more value than his value to the team. I don't see that happening with Hamonic.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHockey

A year ago you all would have given your first borns to see Brodie traded for a first rounder. Now so many people are saying he's a core piece that should be untouchable. Funny what a season with Gio will do to a player.

Funny what a good coach who utilizes his players according to their skill set and strengths does. And maybe TJ compliments and brings out the best in Gio too.

[EVERLAST]

Were so fortunate to have Gio. Gio has done everything asked of him and more . Think about what Gio has done since 04 05 .

If memory serves me correct Gio left and played for Moscow just after the lockout.
He was basically forced out .

Came back and within a short period of time was named by Scotty Bowman the leagues most improved http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/...710/story.html

He has helped his d partners , his team , this community , ownership .....what an inspiring player .

Back on topic..... I think with all Gio has done the money that gets paid to Hamonic , Brodiewhoever will seriously have to be looked at really hard as to what any player actually contributes here Gio cap or not.

Gio earns every penny.....can the others come close. Right now the answer is NO.

[FlamesAddiction]

It will be a sad day if or when Brodie is traded, but I agree that there is a good argument for trading him in the off season.

After a couple of tough seasons, we would be selling high on him. Plus he has no trade clauses, so the Flames can get a bidding war going.

Cap management is going to be difficult after this season, and the season after next, Brodie will be a UFA likely getting a huge raise. If you don't trade him in the off season, you have to embrace the idea that he may very well leave as a UFA. If the Flames are successful next season, they aren't going to want to disrupt chemistry mid-season. Adapting without him will be a lot easier starting in camp.

Younger players are pushing their way up and makes the loss easier to deal with.

[Stay Golden]

Brodie and Hamonic have rebounded quite nicely now that Gulutzan long gone. If Treliving was to trade either one he would have a long list of GM's interested.
No complaints they have both been solid with their styles of play this season.

[Love]

Trading Brodie to me seems like one of the dumbest moves this franchise could make

[minnow]

Originally Posted by Love

Trading Brodie to me seems like one of the dumbest moves this franchise could make

What are you offering in return?

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by Love

Trading Brodie to me seems like one of the dumbest moves this franchise could make

A) Should the Flames ignore the cap situation and our prospect base
B) Shouldn't the potential return be factored in?

[BigBrodieFan]

This discussion leaves me a little bewildered. TJ is a +32 partnered with Gio who's up for Norris this year. Last year Gio was:

82 13 25 38 for the whole season without TJ as a partner.

The year before that he was

81 12 27 39 for the whole season without TJ as a partner.



This year he's beat his previous points already by 5 and his +/- is +36, and TJ's is +32. If y'all don't think TJ brings out the best in Mark, look at some numbers. Either that, or just ask him. He'll be the first to tell you.

If you think that 'anyone' can have the chemistry TJ and Mark have together being both over +30 more than half way through the season, while the team is having the best year they've ever had, on a steady road to the Cup.. well you aren't very smart.

Calgary would be lucky to have him sign for longer. And if the Flames win the Cup this year, I'm willing to bet more people may think he's worth paying for.

Then again, I am totally, admittedly biased.

[It's a great day 4 hockey]

I think what it will come down to is what are TJ and Hamonic willing to resign for and when. Hamonic has already expressed his desire to be specifically in Western Canada. I think it's safe to say the Flames can get him signed to a deal that will be palatable.

Brodie has a better chance at commanding a bigger payday when they both come up. If Tre can figure out a way to sign Brodie to a deal that's favorable to the Flames for the first couple years of the contract and tradable thereafter, then I think Brodie would stay a Flame as well.

I really hope for the sake of the team that this is what happens. With Gio playing as well as he is now why not do everything possible to allow it to continue. This would solidify our D for the years we have Gaudreau for as well.

I also believe our only hope of resigning Gaudreau is having such a strong team he can't bear the thought of not being a part of it. Solidifying our D from now till it's time for Johnny to resign is a huge step to achieving the above.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by BigBrodieFan

This discussion leaves me a little bewildered. TJ is a +32 partnered with Gio who's up for Norris this year. Last year Gio was:

82 13 25 38 for the whole season without TJ as a partner.

The year before that he was

81 12 27 39 for the whole season without TJ as a partner.



This year he's beat his previous points already by 5 and his +/- is +36, and TJ's is +32. If y'all don't think TJ brings out the best in Mark, look at some numbers. Either that, or just ask him. He'll be the first to tell you.

If you think that 'anyone' can have the chemistry TJ and Mark have together being both over +30 more than half way through the season, while the team is having the best year they've ever had, on a steady road to the Cup.. well you aren't very smart.

Calgary would be lucky to have him sign for longer. And if the Flames win the Cup this year, I'm willing to bet more people may think he's worth paying for.

Then again, I am totally, admittedly biased.

It is absolutely amazing how some fans just want to dismiss Brodie and the contribution he is making.

"We have the best defensive pairing in the NHL - let's trade one of them!"

Not everyone feels that way. And I would bet dollars to donuts that Treliving and the Flames' brass don't.

[GranteedEV]

trading any of Giordano, Brodie, Valimaki, Andersson, or Kylington would be a mistake. And at this point Hamonic seems to have established himself as the clear #3D too.

If we need capspace the guys we should be looking to move are Stone, Neal, Ryan, and Hanifin.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

trading any of Giordano, Brodie, or Kylington would be a mistake. And at this point Hamonic seems to have established himself as the clear #3D too.

If we need capspace the guys we should be looking to move are Stone, Neal, and Hanifin.

no way...guy is 21 years old

[Yoho]

Never Hanifin.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It is absolutely amazing how some fans just want to dismiss Brodie and the contribution he is making.

"We have the best defensive pairing in the NHL - let's trade one of them!"

Not everyone feels that way. And I would bet dollars to donuts that Treliving and the Flames' brass don't.

Yeah. It is nuts.

On one hand, you have Neal, Ryan, Stone - these guys cost the Flames over 12 M. Stone isn’t playing but the other two are on pace to chip in a combined 40-45 points, and on a team this good, -3 and -11 are pretty unimpressive.

Meanwhile, Gio and Brodie are back together, bringing out the best in each other, and on pace for about +60 each and 120 points.

And people really discussing when to trade one of the best players and keys to the team’s success. It’s a vocal minority, for sure.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

no way...guy is 21 years old

He makes 5 million a year, has higher trade value than his on ice performance reflects, and plays the same position as each of Valimaki, Giordano, and Kylington, two of whom are younger than him and appear to be just as capable without the cap hit.

I like Hanifin, but he is more expendable as a highly paid LD than any of Brodie/Hamonic/Andersson who each bring unique elements to our right defense. I'm not sure Hanifin brings anything unique to our left side other than more experience than the two other kids. Skating? Kylington is better. Size? Valimaki is bigger. Offense? I don't see his as being significantly better than the other two there either. Defense? Hamonic carries that pair in their zone and that pair has still been our achilles heal in a year where we lead the West because Hanifin misplays many sequences.

There are simply guys I would trade before Brodie. Hanifin is young but that doesn't ensure all this upside people see there.

of course, we should trade Stone, Neal and Ryan before Hanifin. Ultimately we shouldn't need to break our current top 4 to be cap compliant.

[DeluxeMoustache]

When Gio retires, I am guessing that Hanifin will be no older than 25 or 26.

I would look for other salary dumps if cap space is required.

[Yrebmi]

I just love that the very concept of next off season seems so far away right now.
living and loving this season