Tom Wilson KOs Oleksiak - UPD: Oleksiak is dealing with a concussion.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

I have no idea how to embed video but at the 35 second mark of the video you can see Wilson turn his head and begin speaking and skating towards Oleksiak off camera as Wilson closes in by the time Wilson begins to shake his gloves off Oleksiak has already dropped his stick. Anyone at this point trying to claim Oleksiak wasn’t engaged is just being ignorant.

https://youtu.be/Jvi5aKeYVVo

Sorry but I think your reaching a bit with the talking to each other. You can hear him at the start of that clip. He’s turning up ice and communicating with his teammates.

The entire sequence is 4 seconds.

[woob]

I can’t wait until fighting is gone from the NHL. What a waste of time.

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by Beninho

I can’t find this angle where they are both talking to each other, it seems both gloves come off at the same time while Wilson makes a B line to Oleksiak while Oleksiak doesn’t notice him until he’s in front of him. That’s what I see

I didn't see any angle where they were talking but if we add up the facts and leave out the speculation:

2 big boys, Oleksiak challenged Wilson in the last time they played.
Wilson didn't fight and was told he doesnt have the balls and was running away.
First shift of the game, both on the ice with each other....usually the point when both guys settle the score if it is going to be settled.
Oleksiak steps way out of position to make a hit, a clean hit.
Both guys throw the gloves at the same time, Oleksiak decides the first punch is more important than getting set. Wilson gets set over the first punch. Simply a 50/50 on who made the right decision and in this case it was Wilson.

People saying he was jumped? Both were well aware they were fighting shown by gloves off at the same time, Oleksiak throwing first punch and the previous history which would indicate they were going to fight.

People saying Wilson is trash? He has had some brutal plays and I think the league is on him and will punish him accordingly. I actually thought that small clip should have been a suspension but for the sake of this situation...nothing trashy about it.

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by Beninho

https://youtu.be/G1vG5o8H22I

This is how you challenge someone, this is how fights in this league should be.

Nobody disagrees with you but just as many fights start the way Wilson Oleksiak did as they do in your clip. If both guys want to fight, they are better starting it the way it was tonight as refs tend to jump in quicker on those ones where guys square off and count down.

[transplant99]

I would guess they also had a chat during warmups or at the very least locked eyes and acknowledged what was going to go down.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Travis Munroe

I didn't see any angle where they were talking but if we add up the facts and leave out the speculation:

2 big boys, Oleksiak challenged Wilson in the last time they played.
Wilson didn't fight and was told he doesnt have the balls and was running away.
First shift of the game, both on the ice with each other....usually the point when both guys settle the score if it is going to be settled.
Oleksiak steps way out of position to make a hit, a clean hit.
Both guys throw the gloves at the same time, Oleksiak decides the first punch is more important than getting set. Wilson gets set over the first punch. Simply a 50/50 on who made the right decision and in this case it was Wilson.

People saying he was jumped? Both were well aware they were fighting shown by gloves off at the same time, Oleksiak throwing first punch and the previous history which would indicate they were going to fight.

People saying Wilson is trash? He has had some brutal plays and I think the league is on him and will punish him accordingly. I actually thought that small clip should have been a suspension but for the sake of this situation...nothing trashy about it.

If you see it that way then I understand your take, I just view it as Oleksiak not having enough time to prepare for a fight while Wilson is bracing for the fight the entire time. It just doesn’t look good in my eyes and is something I hate seeing. I did not know these two guys had a history but even then I’d say challenge him in a better way than just rushing him. Not a fan of that

[Matty81]

I don't think the guy got jumped. I don't like Wilson either, I think he runs around a lot and tries to injure guys but I don't think you can blame him here for doing much wrong IMO.

Not gonna be a popular opinion on a hockey board but what I do find off putting is the sportsnet panel guys like Burke/MacLean/Friedman continually talking about how much they like the fighting and violence coming back lately after stuff like this happens. For me if the NHL wants to survive they shouldn't be celebrating when their players are trying to hurt each other.

I grew up on it too and used to enjoy the fighting in my teens but I don't think these older white guys understand how off-putting seeing someone get punched in the head and fall face first onto the ice is for non-traditional hockey fans and even a lot of parents of young kids these days. I don't think its the road the NHL is intending to go down and I don't think its gonna allow the game to be anything more than a niche sport. Traditional hockey fans and younger guys who are drinking love it... otherwise more people are gonna change the channel then tune in.

Not really bothered by it though as I think it's dying out slowly anyway.

[Yobbo]

After watching the footage a few times, I have come to the conclusion that Wilson rushes Oleksiak and has the upper hand from the get go. That's a very poor way to instigate a fight, and if this fight was on the cards all along, Wilson should have let both players get set, and not basically jump the guy. Typical Wilson though I guess. He doesn't do anything with honor.

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[AhiChicken]

I don't see Oleksiak dropping before Wilson. Oleksiak looked like he was planning on hustling back to position.

https://imgur.com/a/skM7Szf

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah I feel like while Wilson didn’t “jump” him completely unexpectedly he certainly made sure he had the upper hand.

Don’t think Oleksiak was ready and a bit greasy (no surprise) by Wilson IMO

I miss Iggy for the good square up before the fight.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by AhiChicken

I don't see Oleksiak dropping before Wilson. Oleksiak looked like he was planning on hustling back to position.

https://imgur.com/a/skM7Szf

That’s a simple fact

[AhiChicken]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

That’s a simple fact

But Flaming Homer's going to call us ignorant.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Spirited fight. Nobody jumped anyone. Take a look at the video on the OP again - both guys had dropped their gloves before any punch was thrown, and Oleksiak even seemed to get the first punch in.



Wilson might be a dirty player that often crosses that proverbial line, but I didn't see anything in that video that warrants criticism against him. Not in this fight anyway.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Spirited fight. Nobody jumped anyone. Take a look at the video on the OP again - both guys had dropped their gloves before any punch was thrown, and Oleksiak even seemed to get the first punch in.



Wilson might be a dirty player that often crosses that proverbial line, but I didn't see anything in that video that warrants criticism against him. Not in this fight anyway.

Disagree fully and completely.

Reference the pic of Wilson steaming in with gloves dropped while Oleksiak is skating to be in position. There was no agreement that a fight was happening at that time. Full stop. One guy is playing hockey, the other guy is being a thug.

Consider contact being made inside the blue line, and that the fight happened halfway between blue line and center, and was over immediately after

Consider that if the fight lasted 2 seconds tops, was Oleksiak really prepared to defend himself? He was down a fraction of a second after his momentum stopped them and they had barely spun around. The guy may have swung, but he sure as crap didn’t have time or opportunity to agree to a fight and wasn’t set and ready.

Watch Iggy and Engelland act with honour. Consider how actual combat sports start. It’s not one guy jogging around the ring and another guy jumping him.

Think about the risk involved in a fight and if you really think it is okay for it to start without agreement, and without one party set and ready to defend himself.

Nope. This was akin to jumping a guy in the alley.

Cheap way to take advantage, by a known cheap shot artist. But even if it was Mikael Backlund and not Wilson, I would disapprove.

This is perplexing to me. Clearly one guy started a fight and it was not expected by the other guy, evidenced by video and still pictures, and still some guys think it was somehow fair and square.

Just because the guy reacted fast enough to engage sure as crap doesn’t mean he agreed or was ready.

Bizarre and arguably scary morals.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

That’s a simple fact

Is Oleksiak not looking at Wilson in that frame?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

Is Oleksiak not looking at Wilson in that frame?

Who can say for sure? It happens way too fast to see Oleksiak's reaction—about 0.5 seconds from the time Wilson drops his gloves to when the two players come together.

It appears pretty clear to me that Oleksiak was not anticipating an altercation with Wilson at that moment—even if we are to believe that he was expecting this to happen at some point, it sure as hell looks like he is not ready in the less-than-one-second that Wilson engages him. It sure looks like Wilson jumped him, and he was not ready for it.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Best part is Crosby chirping Ovechkin

Am I missing something? Didn't Sid ask Ov why Ov didn't fight Oleksiak, only to shut up after Ov responded by asking why Sid wouldn't fight him?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Am I missing something? Didn't Sid ask Ov why Ov didn't fight Oleksiak, only to shut up after Ov responded by asking why Sid wouldn't fight him?

Good hell. The fact that the two were chirping.

And following that, the fact that Crosby won on the scoresheet. Which is what matters.

[81MC]

That's a gross play by Wilson. How anyone can deduce oleksiak was a willing party in that situation is beyond me. These kind of muggings are bull####, and do nothing for the game.

[locsofblu]

Nothing wrong with the fight. I didn't see the hit prior but I have a feeling if Gaudreau got smoked with a clean hit there would be hell to pay and I have no problem with that. Clean or dirty hit don't #### with our star players!