11-25-2018, 02:19 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Holland
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I'm willing to bet that Neal is going through the same funk Hamilton went through when he first got here. I'm sure he will pull it all together soon.
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11-25-2018, 04:04 AM
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#62
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FiveSeven
I'm willing to bet that Neal is going through the same funk Hamilton went through when he first got here. I'm sure he will pull it all together soon.
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Read on HF thst when neal first came to penguins he had 1 goal in 1st 20 goals. Crazy is true.
On flip side surprised to see brouwer with 6 goals in 20 goals, near pace to tie his record best season for goals.
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11-25-2018, 05:49 AM
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#63
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Franchise Player
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I want Valimaki to be okay, but I want to see Kylington now
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11-25-2018, 08:02 AM
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#64
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Valimaki took an awkward hit on the end boards last game and limped off the ice. But he finished the game so it wasn't severe.
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From the replays I saw, to me it looked like when he got hit it, it looked like knee on knee. Probably explains why the Flames went after the Vegas player after the whistle.
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11-25-2018, 08:44 AM
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#65
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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To me, the James Neal struggles boil down to a playmaking centerman. And the fact the flames don’t have one on the roster.
Aside from goaltending (hopefully Rittich can sustain some level of this play) I think an upgrade at the Center position is the biggest priority if this team is to move to contender status.
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11-25-2018, 09:33 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David Struch
What centre has Neal played with the best during his career? besides the obvious one in Crosby, I assume, the season when Neal scored 40 goals & 41 assists with the Pittsburgh Penguins.
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In Pittsburgh he played with Malkin. Crosby played with Kunitz and Dupuis.
In Nashville I believe their top line in the SCF year was Forsberg - Johansen - Neal. Also saw some Arvidsson - Johansen - Neal and Jarnkrok - Johansen - Neal
Before that, some lines included:
Forsberg - Ribeiro - Neal
Forsberg - Fisher - Neal
Jarnkrok - Wilson - Neal
In Vegas he played most often on Perron-Haula-Neal
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11-25-2018, 09:43 AM
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Had a look back at Neal's last three seasons. He's had a lot of time with second tier players, not a lot of time with top tier players.
Most frequency was the Perron/Haula combination last year. Second is Colin Wilson and Jarnkrok ... so his linemates this season probably seem somewhat familiar to him. He did spend some time Johansson and Forsberg and Johansson and Arvidsson in Nashville though.
His best combinations for expected GF%
Code:
P1 P2 P3 Season Team GP TOI xGF%
ALEX.TUCH ERIK.HAULA JAMES.NEAL 2016-2019 VGK 11 30.2 66.14
CALLE.JARNKROK COLIN.WILSON JAMES.NEAL 2016-2019 NSH 31 196.65 63.67
JAMES.NEAL RYAN.JOHANSEN VIKTOR.ARVIDSSON 2016-2019 NSH 33 141.11 63.56
CALLE.JARNKROK JAMES.NEAL KEVIN.FIALA 2016-2019 NSH 16 61.32 60
JAMES.NEAL MARK.JANKOWSKI SAM.BENNETT 2016-2019 CGY 13 40.65 59.04
CALLE.JARNKROK JAMES.NEAL MIKE.RIBEIRO 2016-2019 NSH 8 48.82 53.3
JAMES.NEAL JONATHAN.MARCHESSAULT WILLIAM.KARLSSON 2016-2019 VGK 53 42.85 52.03
FILIP.FORSBERG JAMES.NEAL RYAN.JOHANSEN 2016-2019 NSH 56 131.16 50.18
DAVID.PERRON ERIK.HAULA JAMES.NEAL 2016-2019 VGK 48 533.33 48.95
DEREK.RYAN JAMES.NEAL SAM.BENNETT 2016-2019 CGY 16 25.8 44.98
CODY.EAKIN DAVID.PERRON JAMES.NEAL 2016-2019 VGK 43 136.53 44.09
JAMES.NEAL JOHNNY.GAUDREAU SEAN.MONAHAN 2016-2019 CGY 21 27.52 44.08
ERIK.HAULA JAMES.NEAL TOMAS.TATAR 2016-2019 VGK 5 49.3 43.94
COLIN.WILSON JAMES.NEAL MIKE.FISHER 2016-2019 NSH 29 95.05 43.16
ERIK.HAULA JAMES.NEAL OSCAR.LINDBERG 2016-2019 VGK 19 35.57 40.3
JAMES.NEAL MATTHEW.TKACHUK MIKAEL.BACKLUND 2016-2019 CGY 17 49.03 40.13
Last place ... the Backlund/Tkachuk line
A few tiers up Monahan/Gaudreau
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11-25-2018, 09:43 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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At this point, unless we are planning on acquiring someone for Neal to play with, I think we are better off moving him. With the current roster he doesn't fit in.
I'm sure we could move him to Pitt.
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11-25-2018, 09:48 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Had a look back at Neal's last three seasons. He's had a lot of time with second tier players, not a lot of time with top tier players.
Most frequency was the Perron/Haula combination last year. Second is Colin Wilson and Jarnkrok ... so his linemates this season probably seem somewhat familiar to him. He did spend some time Johansson and Forsberg and Johansson and Arvidsson in Nashville though.
His best combinations for expected GF%
Code:
P1 P2 P3 Season Team GP TOI xGF%
ALEX.TUCH ERIK.HAULA JAMES.NEAL 2016-2019 VGK 11 30.2 66.14
CALLE.JARNKROK COLIN.WILSON JAMES.NEAL 2016-2019 NSH 31 196.65 63.67
JAMES.NEAL RYAN.JOHANSEN VIKTOR.ARVIDSSON 2016-2019 NSH 33 141.11 63.56
CALLE.JARNKROK JAMES.NEAL KEVIN.FIALA 2016-2019 NSH 16 61.32 60
JAMES.NEAL MARK.JANKOWSKI SAM.BENNETT 2016-2019 CGY 13 40.65 59.04
CALLE.JARNKROK JAMES.NEAL MIKE.RIBEIRO 2016-2019 NSH 8 48.82 53.3
JAMES.NEAL JONATHAN.MARCHESSAULT WILLIAM.KARLSSON 2016-2019 VGK 53 42.85 52.03
FILIP.FORSBERG JAMES.NEAL RYAN.JOHANSEN 2016-2019 NSH 56 131.16 50.18
DAVID.PERRON ERIK.HAULA JAMES.NEAL 2016-2019 VGK 48 533.33 48.95
DEREK.RYAN JAMES.NEAL SAM.BENNETT 2016-2019 CGY 16 25.8 44.98
CODY.EAKIN DAVID.PERRON JAMES.NEAL 2016-2019 VGK 43 136.53 44.09
JAMES.NEAL JOHNNY.GAUDREAU SEAN.MONAHAN 2016-2019 CGY 21 27.52 44.08
ERIK.HAULA JAMES.NEAL TOMAS.TATAR 2016-2019 VGK 5 49.3 43.94
COLIN.WILSON JAMES.NEAL MIKE.FISHER 2016-2019 NSH 29 95.05 43.16
ERIK.HAULA JAMES.NEAL OSCAR.LINDBERG 2016-2019 VGK 19 35.57 40.3
JAMES.NEAL MATTHEW.TKACHUK MIKAEL.BACKLUND 2016-2019 CGY 17 49.03 40.13
Last place ... the Backlund/Tkachuk line
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So does that mean we need to throw xGF% out the window?
When he is on a line with guys in the top 20 of the NHL in points they aren’t expected to outscore the opposition?
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11-25-2018, 09:55 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the studio
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I think with Neal to get him started here I would love it if they tried Bennett at center again and slid Backlund down to help out younger guys like Dube, and Janko with guys like Ryan and Frolik playing right wing. There is no world right now where it makes sense to split up that top line but there is a world IMO where it makes sense to try Bennett at center:
Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Bennett - Neal
Dube - Backlund - Ryan
Czarnik - Jankowski - Frolik
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11-25-2018, 10:30 AM
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#71
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
So does that mean we need to throw xGF% out the window?
When he is on a line with guys in the top 20 of the NHL in points they aren’t expected to outscore the opposition?
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For whatever reason neither of Calgary's top two duos out chance the opposition when Neal in on their flank.
When he's with Bennett they out play the opposition but don't finish.
I wouldn't call the stat wonky as I think it's just a summation of the different degrees of chances both ways. Certainly passes the eye test too as can't remember too many good shifts with Monahan and Gaudreau.
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11-25-2018, 10:43 AM
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#72
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phagoof
At this point, unless we are planning on acquiring someone for Neal to play with, I think we are better off moving him. With the current roster he doesn't fit in.
I'm sure we could move him to Pitt.
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Or we could give it more time
Why the rush?
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11-25-2018, 11:17 AM
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#73
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: F*** me. We're so f***ing good, you check the f***ing standings? Lets f***ing go! F***ing practice!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
you really think a guy should be scratched for that? bumping like that happens on almost every line change
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I mean I made the post when it was announced he was the extra at practice but yeah I could totally understand a Neal scratch, that selfish penalty at such a crucial point in the game, plus the lack of production so far.
I don't think it would actually hurt at this point to sit and think for a game, although I'm also fine with him playing and working through it. He has shown some flashes of better play as of late.
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11-25-2018, 11:36 AM
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#74
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phagoof
At this point, unless we are planning on acquiring someone for Neal to play with, I think we are better off moving him. With the current roster he doesn't fit in.
I'm sure we could move him to Pitt.
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Ya move a guy 20 games after signing a 5 year contract.
Great message to send to any free agents thinking of signing here.
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11-25-2018, 12:01 PM
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#75
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phagoof
At this point, unless we are planning on acquiring someone for Neal to play with, I think we are better off moving him. With the current roster he doesn't fit in.
I'm sure we could move him to Pitt.
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Wouldn't Pittsburgh have signed him if they wanted him? Or do they have an iffy contract they are looking to exchange.
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11-25-2018, 01:21 PM
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#76
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Scoring Winger
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I would love to see these 2 lines given a try:
Johnny/Monahan/Tkachuk
Bennett/Lindholm/Neal
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11-25-2018, 01:39 PM
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#77
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Franchise Player
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That’s just a terrible play by Czarnik
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