[Signing] Flames reach settlement and avoid arbitration with Jankowski (2 yrs, $1.675 mil AAV) - Page 4 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

activeStick · 07-25-2018, 01:48 PM

Slightly higher than Virtanen and for the same term. Good deal for the Flames and like the Virtanen deal, it gives the Flames 2 years to evaluate the player's progression before making a decision on him long term.

I'm excited about Jankowski. He's shown a better head for the center ice position than Bennett who's had more time and games than him and has also been able to produce in that role. Big body, defensively responsible and has a nice shot. Hoping he continues his progression over the next two years to be able to hold on to that 2nd line spot for good.

Oil Stain · 07-26-2018, 11:48 AM

I think this is a really good deal for the Flames.

I was thinking it would be something around $2 million per year on a bridge due to the goal scoring.

Guys who score goals usually get paid.

GioforPM · 07-26-2018, 11:49 AM

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I think this is a really good deal for the Flames.

I was thinking it would be something around $2 million per year on a bridge due to the goal scoring.

Guys who score goals usually get paid.

The 4 on the last day against a resting team skews things though.

Oil Stain · 07-26-2018, 01:44 PM

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The 4 on the last day against a resting team skews things though.

I've never been a big fan of breaking down a player's production like that.

If Jankowski had his 4 goal game in January against a third string goalie on a team on their third game in four nights no one would care/notice.

It appears he had some puck luck around the net last year for sure, I think about 4 of his goals went in off of his body, but that looks to be offset by the lack of puck luck when it came to picking up assists.

Itse · 07-26-2018, 01:46 PM

I have a feeling this contract might end up being a real steal.

GioforPM · 07-26-2018, 01:52 PM

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I've never been a big fan of breaking down a player's production like that.

If Jankowski had his 4 goal game in January against a third string goalie on a team on their third game in four nights no one would care/notice.

It appears he had some puck luck around the net last year for sure, I think about 4 of his goals went in off of his body, but that looks to be offset by the lack of puck luck when it came to picking up assists.

Maybe, but it was a 7-1 win on the very last game of the season, at home, against a team looking to go a long way. Even a team in the circumstances you are describing would be trying to win. Vegas was totally checked out (Fleury in particular). You had a goal by Hathaway from Lazar and Stajan for goodness' sake.

And if a guy scores a quarter of his goals in one night, it speaks a bit to consistency.

Itse · 07-26-2018, 02:36 PM

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And if a guy scores a quarter of his goals in one night, it speaks a bit to consistency.

So, it would have said better things about his consistency if he had just scored one goal?

Hockey-and_stuff · 07-26-2018, 03:03 PM

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And if a guy scores a quarter of his goals in one night, it speaks a bit to consistency.

Alex Ovechkin scored 10 of his 49 goals in 3 games this year, totalling about 20% of his total. Is he inconsistent?

Weird note, while I was looking the Ovechkin stats up I noted that there were four hat tricks scored on the night Jankowski potted 4 goals.

Jankowski (4), Giroux, Forsberg and Benn all potted 3 on April 7. Guess there was something in the water that night!

GioforPM · 07-26-2018, 03:23 PM

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Alex Ovechkin scored 10 of his 49 goals in 3 games this year, totalling about 20% of his total. Is he inconsistent?

Weird note, while I was looking the Ovechkin stats up I noted that there were four hat tricks scored on the night Jankowski potted 4 goals.
Jankowski (4), Giroux, Forsberg and Benn all potted 3 on April 7. Guess there was something in the water that night!

I think the same rational likely applies to all four guys. I'd take a wild guess that on the last game of the season, unless there's make or break team in it, defensive play is way down. I generally agree that you can't discount a multi goal game, but I think this particular one needs a couple grains of salt. It's not meaningless, but. if I was Treliving negotiating, I'd sure downplay it (and I bet he did).

As for Ovie, let me know when he goes 10-11 games without a goal or assist.

Hockey-and_stuff · 07-26-2018, 03:40 PM

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As for Ovie, let me know when he goes 10-11 games without a goal or assist.

While I'm sure he's suffered a drought like that at some point in his career, I understand what you mean, and I agree with you on that.

GioforPM · 07-26-2018, 04:02 PM

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While I'm sure he's suffered a drought like that at some point in his career, I understand what you mean, and I agree with you on that.

I actually am pretty OK with a rookie production year of 13 goals and 8 assists even if you leave out the last game. Partly because it's not horrible and partly because he also missed the first 10 (and potted 5 goals in 6 games in the AHL while waiting).

Funny how he is more than double goals versus assists, playing with Bennett and Jagr/Hathaway. You'd think he'd be the feeder on that line.

Hockey-and_stuff · 07-26-2018, 04:11 PM

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I actually am pretty OK with a rookie production year of 13 goals and 8 assists even if you leave out the last game. Partly because it's not horrible and partly because he also missed the first 10 (and potted 5 goals in 6 games in the AHL while waiting).

Funny how he is more than double goals versus assists, playing with Bennett and Jagr/Hathaway. You'd think he'd be the feeder on that line.

It is weird seeing his assists so low. I think if he were to score 17 again next season and double the assists I would be extremely happy with that.

GioforPM · 07-26-2018, 04:19 PM

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It is weird seeing his assists so low. I think if he were to score 17 again next season and double the assists I would be extremely happy with that.

He's the only one outside of Ferland with more goals than assists and Ferland had only one more.

He did have a few breakaway and/or shorties which go assistless fairly often.

I think he should be used on shootouts - with his reach you gotta think he has a nice Forsberg or Schlemko move.

Geeoff · 07-26-2018, 04:47 PM

I think it's pretty tough to get assists when you're feeding Hathaway, Brouwer or Lazar LOL

Oil Stain · 07-26-2018, 04:51 PM

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Maybe, but it was a 7-1 win on the very last game of the season, at home, against a team looking to go a long way. Even a team in the circumstances you are describing would be trying to win. Vegas was totally checked out (Fleury in particular). You had a goal by Hathaway from Lazar and Stajan for goodness' sake.

And if a guy scores a quarter of his goals in one night, it speaks a bit to consistency.

Yeah, but there are 30 teams in the league and probably 20+ of them didn't care about the last 2-3 games of the season overly much.

And it's not like there were a dozen 3rd-4th liners scoring hat tricks in the last two games of the season.

You can bet all the bubble guys like Hathaway in the NHL were trying to leave a good impression, but they didn't score hat tricks and Jankowski did.

GioforPM · 07-26-2018, 08:02 PM

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Yeah, but there are 30 teams in the league and probably 20+ of them didn't care about the last 2-3 games of the season overly much.

And it's not like there were a dozen 3rd-4th liners scoring hat tricks in the last two games of the season.

You can bet all the bubble guys like Hathaway in the NHL were trying to leave a good impression, but they didn't score hat tricks and Jankowski did.

Fair enough. I’m just not putting a whole lot of stock in that game, that’s all.

GioforPM · 07-26-2018, 08:04 PM

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I think it's pretty tough to get assists when you're feeding Hathaway, Brouwer or Lazar LOL

Mostly Hathaway. But he was never away from Bennett and he played with Jagr as well (more than Brouwer or Lazar I bet). I honk he probably had Mangiapane for a while as well.

Geeoff · 07-26-2018, 08:32 PM

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Mostly Hathaway. But he was never away from Bennett and he played with Jagr as well (more than Brouwer or Lazar I bet). I honk he probably had Mangiapane for a while as well.

I do remember him playing with Mangiapane quite a bit when he was called up.

Well regardless, most of these players had single digit goals, except for Bennett, so it was pretty tough to pile up assists. Now that the Flames have a little more depth, some players with a little finish should drop down the depth chart, so that should help both Bennett and Jankowski. I'd like to see Bennett-Jankowski-Frolik. Seems like a good 200 ft line.