[confirmed] Flames will go after Derek Ryan in FA

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So the solution is to bring in another 30+ year old vet like Brouwer who they already pay $4.5 million to score 6 goals? This guy is going to get overpaid and I would prefer they get a legit top 6 guy that bumps another player from the current top 6 to bottom six to address that issue rather than overpay for bottom six talent.

I don't think he gets overpaid, I think he comes in at 2.5M/YR at max

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So the solution is to bring in another 30+ year old vet like Brouwer who they already pay $4.5 million to score 6 goals? This guy is going to get overpaid and I would prefer they get a legit top 6 guy that bumps another player from the current top 6 to bottom six to address that issue rather than overpay for bottom six talent.

The only thing these two players have in common is that they are over 30 and will be signing a UFA contract.

Just because Brouwer was a bad signing doesn't mean every UFA from now until the end of time will also be a bad signing.

If they sign Ryan to a 4 year deal for $4.5 million per, I will not be happy, but that isn't very likely.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Lindholm I suppose is that guy although he scores less than the outgoing Ferland. It does appear that this team is going to be offensively challenged once again next season.

Ferland had 21 goals and 41 points, playing the entire season with Gaudreau and Monahan.

Lindholm had 16 goals and 44 points playing a good chunk of the time with Ryan and McGinn.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Do we not agree that the bottom 6 was a big problem with the Flames last year? Seems like adding guys who have produced in that role is a good thing.

Trouble is, as I've pointed out already, he did not play a traditional 4th line role under Peters. He was up and down as a 3/4 center all season and saw PP time as well. No 4th line center in Calgary is going to enjoy this type of cushy usage Ryan had in Carolina (at least they better not be). When his minutes drop to the 10-12 ballpark and he logs zero pp time I would imagine the 35 points becomes 25 in a hurry and this makes him nothing more than another run of the mill bottom line player.

I'm ok with the add provided it is a short term low AAV deal as his faceoff prowess and metrics seem to indicate he can at least play. Publicly going after a guy like this though? No thanks.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Torch

What Does Ryan bring, compared to Stajan ,Lazar and Hathaway etc?

More goals than all combined for starters

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Anyone else a little wary of the influx of Bill Peters players already? This guy seems to have Treliving's ear a bit more than I'd prefer.

I look at it a little differently.

If I was Carolina, I'd be extremely concerned that my former coach was plucking players from my roster to bring with him to his new team. He's not plucking the under performers. He's plucking the one's with untapped potential. I'm not saying Lindholm is this year's Karlsson, but remember that was something that Treliving was focused on at the end of the year. Finding those players that just haven't had quite the right opportunity yet.

What are the consistent themes of the one (two) forwards brought in?

1. Good on face offs
2. Responsible defensively
3. Reasonable offensive output given role
4. Right hand shot (a massive need for the flames)

And as far as Hanifin goes, we have a 5th overall defense draft pick that skates exceptionally well, leads rushes, is responsible defensively, and has more to give on the offensive side. And he's only 21.

The more I've looked at this trade the more and more I come around to it being a really shrewd move by Treliving.

We move out a player that didn't fit into the locker room. We move out a player in Ferland who is due a big raise, but is plagued by inconsistency. Treliving got burnt by the Bouma deal once. He then avoided the same mistake with Colborne, and I think he's making a similar decision here. We also move out a player who wasn't going to sign here instead of losing him for nothing; John Gilmour was given the same treatment. Treliving is acting consistently across the board here.

We get two young, high upside players with pedigree and NHL experience who are already familiar with the system our new coach is going to run. We get cost and contract control on Hanifin and Lindholm as well.

As far as Ryan goes, I'm not concerned with him being utilized too much. Look at our center depth. Monahan is going to get 18-20 mins a night. Backlund will get 15-20 as well. That leaves 20-25 minutes a night to be split between the third and fourth line centers.

And between those two centers (Jankowski and Ryan), we have guys who scored ~35 goals last year. Ryan is a big upgrade on Stajan, Hathaway, and Lazar.

Lots to like about the moves so far. If Treliving can land a legit top line winger via free agency, we are going to have an enjoyable season as fans next year.

[keenan87]

I am okay with bringing in Ryan. I think he can be a solid fourth line center.

Is everyone okay with sending guys like Mangiapane, Hathaway, Lomberg, Lazar down? Cause some of them will go down. Or do we trade a guy like Lazar for a 7th round pick etc.

Honestly, I still can't believe the crap Brouwer is still on the team. Just takes away a roster spot because of his salary. There is no way he won't be in the starting line-up if he is still with the team.

[Flash Walken]

Another Brouwer at 4.5 million would be a significant improvement on Lazar and Hathaway.

Brouwer might not get bought out to simply keep Shinkaruk and Lomberg out of the lineup.

Awful.

[Enoch Root]

If he is a right shot, play driving, energy guy, and good in the dot, then he would be a huge upgrade to the bottom 6.

However, all of those things, and a 38 point season, do NOT mean $2.5M IMO. A 38 point free agent that is good in the circle is more like $4M.

[puckedoff]

Flames had trouble beating the Oilers last season. Hurricanes beat the Oilers to win the cup. Therefore by acquiring all Hurricanes players (and coaches) we will start beating the Oilers. Its just advanced stats.

[Kickazzflames]

I got a feeling Brad goes hard for a scoring winger but the price is far too high to acquire one through free agency. So our lines end up like this:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Tkachuk
Frolik-Backlund-Lindholm
Bennett-Jankowski-Foo
Mangiapane-Ryan-Lazar (Rotates with Brouwer, Klimchuck, etc..)

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If he is a right shot, play driving, energy guy, and good in the dot, then he would be a huge upgrade to the bottom 6.

However, all of those things, and a 38 point season, do NOT mean $2.5M IMO. A 38 point free agent that is good in the circle is more like $4M.

Seems like a terrible idea considering as a FA he will be getting some serious term as well. The Flames just cycled out an aging, $4M 4th line center and we're going to right back down the same road?

Interesting that some of the best teams in the league find ways to pay 4th line centers $1-1.5M/Year but the Flames seem to need to bring in another overused player with inflated stats to fill the role.

Anything over $1.5/ 2 years would be a big mistake. Invest those dollars in a top six winger slot.

[Saqe]

Hurricanes fans complaining on HF how Peters used Ryan.

[Cantrader]

Is he tough and fight a bit? We will need some folks to fight if we get pushed around.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Is everyone okay with sending guys like Mangiapane, Hathaway, Lomberg, Lazar down?

Lomberg isn't an NHLer and I'd not lose sleep if they risked losing Hathaway on waivers. And Mangiapane will probably have to split time between Calgary and Stockton anyway.

[TheKurgan]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Anything over $1.5/ 2 years would be a big mistake. Invest those dollars in a top six winger slot.

I agree, while good at faceoffs, I don't see Ryan being much more than a 4th line centre / PK guy on our team. Slight upgrade over Stajan but lets not get carried away on contract and term.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Hurricanes fans complaining on HF how Peters used Ryan.

And we complained about Brouwer when we didn't have any RWs.

Now that we have some depth is anyone worried about that?

Hurricanes fans probably wanted to give some rookie a chance to play that would never have put up Ryan's numbers.

[bax]

I would rather just sign Shore for 1 year 1 million TBH. He has more to give

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by devo22

Lomberg isn't an NHLer and I'd not lose sleep if they risked losing Hathaway on waivers. And Mangiapane will probably have to split time between Calgary and Stockton anyway.

I think over the past 30 minutes, I am also coming with the same solution.

I just really hope that Mangiapane, Klimchuk, and Foo are given a chance to make the NHL roster.

How does a fourth line of Brouwer-Ryan-Frolik sound to most people? Once again, we will have a super expensive fourth line though.

Bennett-Backlund-Foo I think would make an interesting third line.

[Strange Brew]

Flames are in a quandary. The organization has a history of having highly paid guys on bottom lines and bottom pairings. Not a good situation.

But the forward depth within the organization is weak and not going to improve anytime soon.