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Old 06-24-2018, 08:18 PM   #61
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Gaudreau - Monahan - Tkachuk
JVR/Neal - Backlund - Lindholm (swede power)
Frolik - Jankowski - Foo
Lazar/Dube - Shore - Brouwer

I can live with that.
Who'd we get for Bennett?
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Old 06-24-2018, 08:18 PM   #62
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Gaudreau - Monahan - Tkachuk
JVR/Neal - Backlund - Lindholm (swede power)
Frolik - Jankowski - Foo
Lazar/Dube - Shore - Brouwer

I can live with that.
Bennett?
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Old 06-24-2018, 08:21 PM   #63
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I know it means little to nothing but hey why not. Eklund has the Flames linked to JVR before the trade broke yesterday.

Might need to buy out Brouwer depending on how big the Lindholm, Hanifin, Jankowski contracts are
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Old 06-24-2018, 08:35 PM   #64
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Just another name to throw in: Rick Nash? Not sure about his PP numbers.

Sounds like he's thinking of retiring.


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On one hand, it's a bit of a shame, but an early retirement to take care of long-term health prospects is not a bad thing, and if he chooses to do that, then good on him.
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Old 06-24-2018, 08:49 PM   #66
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Flames have 24m-ish in cap space. After Hanafin and Lindholm I am estimating 13m in cap space. Then you have to sign Janko, Kulak, maybe Hathaway, Shore.

Going to need some room for next years crop of RFA's as well. Lazar, Bennett and the big dog Tkachuk.

How that all shakes down is interesting.
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Old 06-24-2018, 08:50 PM   #67
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Don't want Perron, Neal or JVR.
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Sounds like Perron and Neal could be moving on from Vegas via SN.

Neal turned down 5x5 seeking $6M. I would probably give that to him. $6Mx5 years.
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Old 06-24-2018, 08:54 PM   #69
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Sounds like Perron and Neal could be moving on from Vegas via SN.

Neal turned down 5x5 seeking $6M. I would probably give that to him. $6Mx5 years.
Problem is that making 5 mil in Vegas is pretty close to making 6 million in Calgary after taxes...
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Flames have 24m-ish in cap space. After Hanafin and Lindholm I am estimating 13m in cap space. Then you have to sign Janko, Kulak, maybe Hathaway, Shore.

Going to need some room for next years crop of RFA's as well. Lazar, Bennett and the big dog Tkachuk.

How that all shakes down is interesting.
Next year brouwer becomes easy to buy out and we can put his money towards tkachuk. And smith and stone. Bennett has not proven to be worth more than 2.5/ year (that's generous) and everyone else you mentioned is a 2 mil a year max type of player too. The flames are fine.
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Old 06-24-2018, 09:01 PM   #71
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Just imagining that they signed JVR and Tkachuk stuck with the top line, I think there could be some interesting sets of lines. Barring a buyout of Brouwer (which I would do), I think that him and Lazar should share a role with Backlund and Frolik on a checking line.

That would leave a fourth line that you could set up as a young skilled line instead of a typical role player unit.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Tkachuk
JVR - Lindholm - Bennett
Frolik - Backlund - Brouwer/Lazar
Mangiapane - Jankowski - Foo

I prefer this kind of arrangement for guys like Mangiapane and Foo. They are skilled players who can get stuck trying to show their offence while playing with guys whose sole purpose is to dump the puck in, lay a hit, and then get off the ice. This kind of set up would give them a chance to play the type of game they showed in the AHL while being sheltered as they gain NHL experience.
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Don't want Perron, Neal or JVR.
Not a big Perron fan, would take the other 2 but they will both get overpriced contracts and somtimes you need to give those out to win. Everyone thought Oshies contract last summer was too long and too much money but to win sometimes you have to overpay. Obviously the Brouwer signing has scared a lot of posters about signing older free agents, but if you get the right player overpaying by a mill and an extra season or two is not the end of the world.
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Not a big Perron fan, would take the other 2 but they will both get overpriced contracts and somtimes you need to give those out to win. Everyone thought Oshies contract last summer was too long and too much money but to win sometimes you have to overpay. Obviously the Brouwer signing has scared a lot of posters about signing older free agents, but if you get the right player overpaying by a mill and an extra season or two is not the end of the world.
Still don't want any of them.
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Still don't want any of them.
Would you care to elaborate as to why? You just keep saying “no thanks” without any explanation..?
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Still don't want any of them.
Is there a reason? All 3 would help improve this teams top 9 without a doubt
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I could see Neal being targeted. He has played deep into the playoffs, plays with some edge and is a pure sniper. Perron is a right shot so he fills a need and also plays with some edge so I see a fit there.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Neal/Perron
Bennett-Lindholm-Tkachuk
Mangipane-Backlund-Frolik
Lazar-Jankowski-Foo
Shore

Brouwer bought out
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Old 06-24-2018, 09:14 PM   #77
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The last 4 seasons scoring pace per 82 games:

Neal -> 28.8
JVR -> 30.6

Neal is 6'2 220lbs
JVR is 6'3 220lbs

JVR is about 1.5 years younger than Neal.
By all accounts I think JVR is a better skater too.

Slightly bigger, younger, faster and scores at a tad better pace.

If I had to pick, I guess I'd go with JVR. Really don't want to see the Flames dole out big money on a UFA winger, but these guys score a lot of goals, so if they do, they do I guess.
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Old 06-24-2018, 09:16 PM   #78
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The last 4 seasons scoring pace per 82 games:

Neal -> 28.8
JVR -> 30.6

Neal is 6'2 220lbs
JVR is 6'3 220lbs

JVR is about 1.5 years younger than Neal.
By all accounts I think JVR is a better skater too.

Slightly bigger, younger, faster and scores at a tad better pace.

If I had to pick, I guess I'd go with JVR. Really don't want to see the Flames dole out big money on a UFA winger, but these guys score a lot of goals, so if they do, they do I guess.
Like I was mentioning earlier sometimes you have to bite the bullet. Flames F’d up with Brouwer but I don’t envision JVR or Neal not being top 6 producers. Both have a long proven track record
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Old 06-24-2018, 09:24 PM   #79
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If JVR had the Flames on his no trade list I would be surprised if he signed here. I would hope we don’t go over 5 years if we chase one of those big 3. Treliving has hinted they won’t be in the big game free agent market. I can’t help but think they have a few other deals they are working and will eventually pull the trigger on one that nets the team a top 6 forward. I get the feeling it will be Bennett but I hope not. If Lindholm is going to play the middle it could be Jankowski?

Bennett+Jankowski for Gallagher?
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Old 06-24-2018, 09:25 PM   #80
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Martin Frk. 9 power play points last year (same as Neal), RHS, 1.72 P/60 @ 5on5, solid possession stats, and a decent frame.



Only problem is Peters might have burned that bridge with him in Carolina by not giving him much opportunity then. Hopefully there were no hard feelings.
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