Hart finalists, no McDavid

[Husky]

Connor is a top forward in the league. No denying that. A huge part of his game is his breakaway speed. If injuries or age ever slow down his speed, he will not be nearly effective. His ability to go top speed (which is faster then most) in a couple steps is elie, very Bure like.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

If you want to be considered for the Hart having played on a non playoff team, you should probably have been a strong candidate for the Hart at the time your team was effectively eliminated from the playoffs.

Iginla in 01-02 lead the scoring race basically from wire to wire.

McDavid was something like 20th in scoring at the time the Oilers were effectively eliminated. That stat alone is EASILY enough to take McDavid out of any MVP talk. McDavid shouldn’t even be in the top ten.

Agreed, the fact they double shifted McDavid, put him out when there was an empty net to get him more points when the season was over shouldnt be enough to get him nominated. will be interesting to see where his game goes from here, will he try to become a good 2 way player who can win clutch faceoffs or just continue to practice his toe drags and look to win the scoring title?

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

If iginla doesn’t win it with the year he has in 02. Bozo the clown up north doesn’t even deserve to be nominated. He wasn’t even dominating this year until that team was eliminated anyways.

yet all we hear is how the great 97 took such a hit at contract time? if you are making 2M more than any other player, you need to be winning the scoring race by 30 points, not picking up cheap points once eliminated. even though this isnt the contract that will kill the Oilers (see Lucic, Russel, etc.), its not as great as some suggest.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

yet all we hear is how the great 97 took such a hit at contract time? if you are making 2M more than any other player, you need to be winning the scoring race by 30 points, not picking up cheap points once eliminated. even though this isnt the contract that will kill the Oilers (see Lucic, Russel, etc.), its not as great as some suggest.

Is there anyone (outside Edmonton) that thinks this?

He makes $2M more than any other player in the league, on a 2nd contract. In order for that contract to be 'cheap', he needs to be Gretzky-dominant.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Any good team in this league would have willingly given up the four first rounders to sign the guy for $14 million AAV. Yes, he left money on the table.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Any good team in this league would have willingly given up the four first rounders to sign the guy for $14 million AAV. Yes, he left money on the table.

So what?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

So... his contract is below market value? Contrary to what has been suggested by some in this thread?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

So... his contract is below market value? Contrary to what has been suggested by some in this thread?

Sure it is. He took a discount on dollars for term. Everything has a value.

I wouldnt be overly thrilled with a $12.5M centre whos got an $8.5M wing (Draisaitl) and another $6M wing/centre (depending on the day) and another $6M Boat Anchor.

He didnt take Max Salary, but he still gets paid a cool $100M.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

If iginla doesn’t win it with the year he has in 02. Bozo the clown up north doesn’t even deserve to be nominated. He wasn’t even dominating this year until that team was eliminated anyways.

I was going to say the same thing. It would truly piss me off if McDavid got into the top three and his team wasn't even close to making the playoffs.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Locke

Sure it is. He took a discount on dollars for term. Everything has a value.

Yes, and even at the term, it's below market value, as basically any other team that's in contention (and probably some that aren't) would give him more money for the same term.

I wouldnt be overly thrilled with a $12.5M centre whos got an $8.5M wing (Draisaitl) and another $6M wing/centre (depending on the day) and another $6M Boat Anchor.

How the heck do the Oilers' other bad contracts affect the value of McDavid's?

He didnt take Max Salary, but he still gets paid a cool $100M.

To quote one of the greatest posters ever to grace this humble forum... so what?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Corsi, I don’t know if I’d say I’m one of the greatest but I’m flattered regardless.

[TheOnlyBilko]

It's really a toss up between Taylor Hall & Nathan McKinnon. I give it to Taylor Hall, let the Calgary born guy win it! Plus be a big slap in the face to the Oilers that they traded away a future Hart winner for Adam Larsson (LOL).

I'm pretty sure Hall would also be the 1st Calgary born player to ever win the Hart trophy.

[edn88]

Hall winning the Hart is pretty much the best FU outcome for the Oilers.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Any good team in this league would have willingly given up the four first rounders to sign the guy for $14 million AAV. Yes, he left money on the table.

I don't know, it's a big contract to fit into a team structure. But say you do sign him to that, 4 first rounders is also a pretty high price. Not as easy a decision to make as you seem to be suggesting.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by the2bears

I don't know, it's a big contract to fit into a team structure. But say you do sign him to that, 4 first rounders is also a pretty high price. Not as easy a decision to make as you seem to be suggesting.

It's a huge price and you do it anyway because he's that good. Look at the Oilers with McDavid on the ice vs off over the past two seasons. They're terrible when he isn't playing. When he is, they range from "very good" to "2008 Detroit Red Wings good". There are very few teams that would balk at that price. You'd have to be pretty terrible. Ottawa, Montreal, maybe Buffalo, Detroit, Vancouver, that's about it. And some of those probably take him just for the marketing value.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It's a huge price and you do it anyway because he's that good. Look at the Oilers with McDavid on the ice vs off over the past two seasons. They're terrible when he isn't playing. When he is, they range from "very good" to "2008 Detroit Red Wings good". There are very few teams that would balk at that price. You'd have to be pretty terrible. Ottawa, Montreal, maybe Buffalo, Detroit, Vancouver, that's about it. And some of those probably take him just for the marketing value.

Yes, look at the Oilers. Building a team around his $12.5M will be a challenge. $14M and no first rounder for 4 years, and therefore little chance of having many ELCs in the lineup, would be beyond difficult.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, look at the Oilers. Building a team around his $12.5M will be a challenge. $14M and no first rounder for 4 years, and therefore little chance of having many ELCs in the lineup, would be beyond difficult.

It would have been interesting to see what teams would have stepped up had it got to that point. How many good teams have $14 million in space and as you say there would be a lot of pressure to make sure they could find quality NHL talent with 2nd round picks and later seeing they would not be picking in the first round for almost half a decade. Although they would probably have to trade existing roster players to shuffle salary and could recoup picks that way. It's somewhat of a challenge to build a deep roster around a player making that much money and it will be interesting to see how the Leafs handle Nylander, Matthews, and Marner contract negotiations.

[jayswin]

And to be fair Edmonton is about the only team in the league that could have screwed up having a generational talent on their roster.

Pittsburgh had what, one losing season with Crosby before jumping into a playoff team then a contender. The minute Chia basically said "We have a generational talent, so we'll load up on free agents and boom! contender" was the minute they screwed up completely.

All they had to do was have the patience of a 6th grader or higher and they could have been making tactical moves to fill roster spots. You can't screw around with $20mil in cap space used on two guys, and they did.

[DoubleK]

Hall wins. McKinnon had a great year but the eastern bias is a thing.

[gamesaver]

I vote for Hall, the Devils were pretty much one man show. MacKinnon was playing with good linemates, both Rantanen and Landeskog had their carreer years.