Spoilers...Avengers: Infinity War Spoilers Thread

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Nadal to be fair JL and the entire DC universe is a B movie franchise compared to Marvel.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Nadal to be fair JL and the entire DC universe is a B movie franchise compared to Marvel.

I agree, you can't really compare the two. The MCU films are far superior on every level. Wonder Woman was good, but the rest of those DC flicks are awful films.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Coach

Agreed. They could have had the same moment and just have Thor think it’s gross or something. Or just note that he kind of likes the patch. That would have been funny too.

A fighter (especially a melee fighter) with only one eye is at a serious disadvantage. I was wondering when he'd get his eye back, honestly.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by codynw

This movie just set the opening weekend record for both domestic box office ($250M, just barely beating The Force Awakens' $248M) and worldwide box office ($630M, easily beating The Fate of the Furious' $543M).

Justice League made $657M in it's entire run lol.

What I'm most interested in is seeing what the numbers will be for Avengers 4. They're huge for IW because it's such an event, but there was still the worry of could they actually make a good movie with this many characters. After seeing that yes, they most definitely can, and having IW end on such an uncertain note, I'm wondering how many most people will be queuing up on opening weekend for A4 just to find out WTF happens

[Finger Cookin]

My wild speculation is that Infinity War is going to be the zenith of Marvel films at the box office for quite some time. Even with the resolution hanging in the balance, I don't think the sequel is going to top the box office of IW. A4 will open huge, because people will want to see it ASAP and to avoid having it spoiled, but I don't think it will match the final tally that IW ends with. Only time will tell.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

A fighter (especially a melee fighter) with only one eye is at a serious disadvantage. I was wondering when he'd get his eye back, honestly.

Thor's a 1500 year old alien God who controls lightning in a world where a titan is able to turn weapons into bubbles and destroy everything with a snap of the finger. I don't think we would need to question it if Thor didn't appear to lose his depth perception...

I mean Odin lived for thousands of years with a single eye and never bothered to get it easily replaced, can't be that much of a burden for the Asgardians.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Thor's a 1500 year old alien God who controls lightning in a world where a titan is able to turn weapons into bubbles and destroy everything with a snap of the finger. I don't think we would need to question it if Thor didn't appear to lose his depth perception...

I mean Odin lived for thousands of years with a single eye and never bothered to get it easily replaced, can't be that much of a burden for the Asgardians.

These type of excuses never make sense. What does the infinity gauntlet have to do with the physics of how depth perception works?

Or course it bothered him and reduced his fighting ability.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Nadal Fan

Whats your deal with hating on DC films? I could bring up how Wonder Woman made more domestically than Civil War which was basically Avengers 2.5. Maybe I'm being overly sensitive but it really sucks when you love both film franchises and when you want to discuss IW because you loved it, you have people cutting down DC films again. I get it you hate the movies trust me I get it from everywhere people don't like them , but they are one of the highest grossing film franchises with $3.7 billion world wide and Aquaman coming out this year looks great. You can talk about how amazing IW was and how much money it made without crapping on JL.

I don't recall 'hating on DC films' all that much? I've probably made a few comments about Justice League here and there, but I don't think I go out of my way to complain about them. And even if I do, it's because (other than Wonder Woman) they're pretty bad compared to Marvel and I want better for them.

[GGG]

I was blown away by this movie and didn't think it could be pulled off. I was wrong, it really delivered and committed to killing everyone. If the Universe moved on with these deaths being permanent the. 10/10.

The next movie will be the one that will suffer as they have to bring the guardians back, black panther back and others. I think everyone killed by the gems comes back. People killed before are really dead. Everyine else's souls have been captured in the Soul Gem.

My preference would have been to have the characters that they are actually killing in A4 to have died in this movie and let Thanos live his life farming and move on with half the Universe. Then you can bring Thanos back in 10 years or whenever you want to reboot the Universe.

It seems less significant that the deaths in this movie will be undone because of commercial reasons.

That said this movie knocked it out of the park.

[GGG]

I was blown away by this movie and didn't think it could be pulled off. I was wrong, it really delivered and committed to killing everyone. If the Universe moved on with these deaths being permanent the. 10/10.

The next movie will be the one that will suffer as they have to bring the guardians back, black panther back and others. I think everyone killed by the gems comes back. People killed before are really dead. Everyine else's souls have been captured in the Soul Gem.

My preference would have been to have the characters that they are actually killing in A4 to have died in this movie and let Thanos live his life farming and move on with half the Universe. Then you can bring Thanos back in 10 years or whenever you want to reboot the Universe.

It seems less significant that the deaths in this movie will be undone because of commercial reasons.

That said this movie knocked it out of the park.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by GGG

I was blown away by this movie and didn't think it could be pulled off. I was wrong, it really delivered and committed to killing everyone. If the Universe moved on with these deaths being permanent the. 10/10.

The next movie will be the one that will suffer as they have to bring the guardians back, black panther back and others. I think everyone killed by the gems comes back. People killed before are really dead. Everyine else's souls have been captured in the Soul Gem.

My preference would have been to have the characters that they are actually killing in A4 to have died in this movie and let Thanos live his life farming and move on with half the Universe. Then you can bring Thanos back in 10 years or whenever you want to reboot the Universe.

It seems less significant that the deaths in this movie will be undone because of commercial reasons.

That said this movie knocked it out of the park.

To be fair the movie is pretty faithful to the source material so the deaths being undone isn’t purely commercial.

[photon]

Other than making it twice as long I don't think you could do much to make it much better.

They could have maybe developed Thanos's motivations a bit better (i.e. show rather than tell, something they had to do a lot of just because it was a movie not a novel), but I'm nitpicking.

That there's a bunch more scheduled movies makes the 'deaths' a bit hollow, but again that's a nitpick.

I laughed out loud at Peter Dinklage's character, that was awesome.

Quite the place to leave it for a year.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

To be fair the movie is pretty faithful to the source material so the deaths being undone isn’t purely commercial.

Well it was a commercial decision in the comic book universe as well. It goes with the genre, it just makes for less compelling deaths when the stakes are lower. The resolution of all three Infinity Guanlet/War/Crusade comics weren't great storytelling and were the basis for my fears going into this one. I'm hoping the time stone isn't used as that cop out needs to be used carefully.

I don't want to be negative here though as I was impressed with what they pulled off over the 10 years.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

To be fair the movie is pretty faithful to the source material so the deaths being undone isn’t purely commercial.

Deaths being undone was probably more commercially mandatory for the Marvel comics than it is for the MCU.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by GGG

Well it was a commercial decision in the comic book universe as well. It goes with the genre, it just makes for less compelling deaths when the stakes are lower. The resolution of all three Infinity Guanlet/War/Crusade comics weren't great storytelling and were the basis for my fears going into this one. I'm hoping the time stone isn't used as that cop out needs to be used carefully.

I don't want to be negative here though as I was impressed with what they pulled off over the 10 years.

I don’t think it was a commercial decision in the comic either. You can’t just permanently kill half the universe. It’s not a realistic plot development.

But if you can use it as a plot motivation, with the audience knowing full well the story revolves around getting those billions of people back and preventing their deaths from becoming permanent, then I think it works well.

That’s what is important here. This isn’t a fake out death, or billions of deaths. If everyone knows they aren’t really dead then the story becomes about saving the “dead”. This is just way better than seeing them all getting sucked into the soul stone, which would’ve been lame, but for all intents and purposes we all know those people are just captives not dead. What’s important is that our heroes don’t know that, except maybe Dr Strange but he’s dead too so he can’t tell anyone.

[GGG]

Why can't you just wipe out half the universe permenantly and make the stakes real. It's a Chekovs gun. If you make a device that's capable of wiping out the universe at some point you got to massacre big chunks of the universe. Otherwise the Villans aren't real threats and it's just Dragon Ball Z style continuous power ups. Where the universe stands today would have been a great place to continue to tell stories from if they chose to kill different heroes.

Given that they killed Spider-Man, Black Panther and Star Lord we know they aren't permenantly dead, it's no different than sucking them into the stone. We know they comeback, and what we know as viewers is more important than what the heroes know. They chose to pick 3 unkillable heroes as opposed to guys on the bubble.

What I do like is that the Captain Marvel movie will exist in the post Thanos universe based on the end credits scene. The more we inhabit that universe the more real it becomes. I'm interested to see in Ant-man and the wasp touches on it too.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I think I heard Ant Man is pre IW.

[Finger Cookin]

Yeah, I think that's right - set after Civil War but before Infinity War is what I've read. And Captain Marvel is set in the 1990s. At least largely. Whether either movie has some hooks or post credit scenes or something to tie them to IW or A4 remains to be seen, of course. I'm sure they will be in some way, but probably not in big ways in either case.

[Finger Cookin]

A few more thoughts after sitting on it for a couple of days:

I was really impressed by how Thor, Doctor Strange, and especially Scarlet Witch came out after this movie. We always knew Thor was a heavy hitter, but Doctor Strange and Scarlet Witch were really established as next level in this one.

Similarly, Vision and Hulk came out not looking so good. Vision was incapacitated for the entire movie despite being in possession of a stone. And Hulk was just fed to Thanos after looking really strong in Ragnarok.

Oh well. You win some, you lose some.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Thor's a 1500 year old alien God who controls lightning in a world where a titan is able to turn weapons into bubbles and destroy everything with a snap of the finger. I don't think we would need to question it if Thor didn't appear to lose his depth perception...

I mean Odin lived for thousands of years with a single eye and never bothered to get it easily replaced, can't be that much of a burden for the Asgardians.

Well, he's had two eyes for 1499 years, and all the sudden he has one? It likely bothered him just for that reason alone. Cecil covers the rest.

Odin is also not much of a fighter. after he loses his eye. How many times have we seen him fighting in the times we've seen him? He's a King, ruling from the rear. He doesn't need the immediate depth perception someone on the front line would.