[News Roundup] Treliving and the trade deadline

[ah123]

I am quite happy with what the Flames did today. I can’t remember the last time a major addition deadline deal worked out for any team. It also gives the players in the dressing room the message that this is on them, which i think is pretty important

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

thumbs up for me...

didn't do anything silly on a rental player, kept all the talent in the pipeline intact...

funny thing is we've "won" trade deadline day with the acquisitions of Brad Stuart one year and also Olli Jokinen in another year.

TSN's list is meaningless

[flame^thrower]

I'm pleased with the day. Tre didn't touch the prospect base, didn't trade any roster players and added some needed depth for a 7th. After watching the videos of Stewart, I found that I was quite happy with the claim. I think he is going to be a great add to the room, and if anyone messes with Johnny? Well I think it will be dealt with, which hasn't always been the case. This may work out to be a great TD day! I am going to think positive about it! Looking forward to tomorrows game and hoping we start to see some HUGE wins!!

GO FLAMES GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Red]

Pretty meh because nothing major was done, but sometimes it is the small tweaks that make the biggest difference.
Got some much needed toughness and maybe some more scoring from the bottom 6. Hard to complain. If anything, the oilers got softer and the Flames got tougher for nothing which we can't complain about.

[ComixZone]

The Flames haven’t been a very good team all year. They spent significant assets to get the team to where it is, which is effectively exactly where they were one year ago.

It’s hard for me not to view this team as taking a step back for unknown reasons, because addressing the roster the way Tree did in the off-season should have given the team ammunition to be better. Instead, they’re not. Today looked like a day where we could improve in a meaningful way...and we didn’t, but you certainly do have to look at it with a critical eye and ask “should we send more assets out to try and fix what ails the team”, which the answer is probably no. This team has leadership problems (inconsistency, motivation), and bringing in Evander Kane wouldn’t have fixed that - but maybe it could have helped them lessen the impact of their current shortcomings.

Hopefully in the off-season we see the leadership problems addressed. Not sure if that’s in the captains, coaches, roster, or whatever - but there’s certainly a good level of failure baked into this roster right now.

They’ve firmly planted themselves in the underdog role for this year given what rivals have done in the past 2 weeks - and that’s sometimes a good motivational tool. Hopefully it works, as I've recently express my frustrations with being a fan of this organization to the degree that I am given it's complete lack of success. Hopefully things come together, because as Tree said today (paraphrased) "sometimes tomorrow doesn't come". Hopefully "tomorrow" does come, and it's what we hoped for when we rebuilt the roster. I just want to see the team have measured levels of success, rather than what we've historically been witness to.

[Flamefan1]

Brad did a great job today. His best move was not trading for a retread goalie, and his 2nd best move was not trading any of our young players (Bennett) and prospects.The two moves he did make have added to our depth and will not harm the team. I continue to believe we have one of the best managers in the league. He has assembled the best team we have seen since the late 80s. Unfortunately I don't think Brad has dine as well on assembling capable coaches, but I do believe we will get this team into playoffs in spite of inferior coaching. And unlike many posters I believe we can do some damage if we make it.

[oldschoolcalgary]

i think one of the biggest questions this deadline day is whether the Flames main issue is a question of the talent on the roster or is the problem the coaching staff?

spending your futures on short term help does the team little good if it is a coaching issue... add to that, the unknown severity of the Smith injury...who knows when he'll be back and at what level?

i'd rather not blow picks and prospects on a rental, or even a player with some term, when said acquisition harms future prospects and might not make a huge difference under this coaching staff or if Smith isn't able to return to the level of play he was at prior to the injury.

some people may think its a missed opportunity, while i am firmly in the camp of dodging a bullet.

[Strange Brew]

As everyone points out, prices were high today but that could have just as easily worked in Flames favor. Trading a guy like Brodie for picks which could then be flipped for a player with term on their contract.

It seems likely Treliving was trying to do something like that but couldn’t get what he wanted for any of the pieces he was willing to trade.

Maybe this team flips the switch and suddenly starts consistently playing like a team that belongs in the playoffs. If not, there will be off season changes no doubt.

Very thankful no assets were wasted on more goaltending.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

As everyone points out, prices were high today but that could have just as easily worked in Flames favor. Trading a guy like Brodie for picks which could then be flipped for a player with term on their contract.

It seems likely Treliving was trying to do something like that but couldn’t get what he wanted for any of the pieces he was willing to trade.

Maybe this team flips the switch and suddenly starts consistently playing like a team that belongs in the playoffs. If not, there will be off season changes no doubt.

Very thankful no assets were wasted on more goaltending.

What makes you think this? I didn't see any indication either way.

[iamca]

Stewart is essentially playing for a contract next season, not necessarily with Calgary.

He's a UFA and gets claimed off waivers at the deadline, so he should be highly motivated if he wants an NHL gig next season.

Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make. I don't have to go far to prove this statement.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by iamca

Stewart is essentially playing for a contract next season, not necessarily with Calgary.

He's a UFA and gets claimed off waivers at the deadline, so he should be highly motivated if he wants an NHL gig next season.

Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make. I don't have to go far to prove this statement.

Let's hope he lights it up and bashes a few faces along the way.

[CSharp]

The moves Tre made before the trade deadline is good and added depth to fill in the huge holes on the right side for the 3rd and 4th lines. However, he still has a whole on the first line right wing. Sure Gaudreau and Bennett/Ferland will work but they're not right hand shots on a natural right wing position. The acquisitions were safe bets and not really anything given up. It would've been great if Tre pulled a rabbit out of the hat and traded Bennett for like a first rounder and then some like some of the other players that were traded on trade deadline. Let's see if this will happen during post season and before the end of he year.

[FireGilbert]

I'm happy about the deadline. Treliving already made big moves in the offseason with Smith and Hamonic, improving the bottom 6 forward depth for a 7th rounder is great, and the Flames still have plenty of assets to pull off a big trade for a top line winger at the draft.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by CSharp

It would've been great if Tre pulled a rabbit out of the hat and traded Bennett for like a first rounder and then some like some of the other players that were traded on trade deadline.

Your expectations are totally unrealistic.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by Poe969

TSN just said the Flames were losers today for not adding today lol

They're right. We're in a dogfight for the playoffs and did nothing to solve our depth scoring.

Shore is decent acquisition and might make a decent 4th line C. He is easily better than Stajan and he's a good PKer to boot. But he can't score.

Stewart is a useless signing. Yeah, he's free, great. There is a reason he's free. The guy can barely crack 20 points the last two years and the last time he cracked 30 was in 14/15. He's big, ok, he's a right shot, ok, but he does nothing to help the team with its problems. Again, no risk. But no reward or upside to this at all.

That said, the prices were crazy and it might have been a good idea to stand pat. Although, I would have seen if there is any interest in Brodie.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by nemanja2306

Stewart is a useless signing. Yeah, he's free, great. There is a reason he's free. The guy can barely crack 20 points the last two years and the last time he cracked 30 was in 14/15. He's big, ok, he's a right shot, ok, but he does nothing to help the team with its problems. Again, no risk. But no reward or upside to this at all.

Those aren't useless numbers for a bottom six role, especially when the guy is big, physical and a right-shot RW. We've been rotating green and borderline bottom-line players into 3rd and 4th line RW who don't have those numbers combined.

At the acquisition cost, it's a very good gamble, and far from useless or terrible.

After an hour of freaking out and spamming the thread earlier today, you finally seemed to realize you were being over dramatic and sensational about it. No need to start up again.

If he scores a few goals, plays physical, scores in the shootout, fights sticking up for teammates, there's very much some reward in that for no risk/cost.

We did add depth to our bottom six, which was an area of concern. We did it by spending a 7th round pick for next year. If you're calling us losers for not adding a top six scoring threat, thats completely unrealistic as today isn't a day where you do that without over-paying a ridiculous and potentially crippling price.

[GullFoss]

I really like the roster post-deadline. It gives the flames the depth needed for a long run and shores up weaknesses (no pun intended). Importantly, it gives them lots of options in the offseason, when i suspect stone/kulak will be traded to make room for Andersson/Valimaki/Kylington and the flames will go big game hunting for a #2 center and/or #1 RW.

[Philly06Cup]

Memorable Recent Flames Trade Deadline Dumps:

Russell for a 2nd
Hudler for a 2nd
Glencross for a 2nd+
Reto Freaking Berra for a 2nd
Stempniak for a 3rd

Even when the Flames were bad, they were still able to get a decent return on their mid-tier pending UFAs. Makes it all the sweeter to look at what EDM/VAN managed to do. Their teams are no good.

[nemanja2306]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Those aren't useless numbers for a bottom six role, especially when the guy is big, physical and a right-shot RW. We've been rotating green and borderline bottom-line players into 3rd and 4th line RW who don't have those numbers combined.

At the acquisition cost, it's a very good gamble, and far from useless or terrible.

After an hour of freaking out and spamming the thread earlier today, you finally seemed to realize you were being over dramatic and sensational about it. No need to start up again.

If he scores a few goals, plays physical, scores in the shootout, fights sticking up for teammates, there's very much some reward in that for no risk/cost.

We did add depth to our bottom six, which was an area of concern. We did it by spending a 7th round pick for next year. If you're calling us losers for not adding a top six scoring threat, thats completely unrealistic as today isn't a day where you do that without over-paying a ridiculous and potentially crippling price.

I might have been a bit over dramatic yesterday, but I still don't believe this does much for the Flames. The biggest issue for the team is depth scoring, does Stewart address that? Considering how these past few seasons went for him, I'm going to guess not. I hope he proves me wrong, though.

It's good we added depth, especially now that there is no roster limit. I am not arguing that. I am saying we needed to add a legit scorer to our top 9, and we didn't do that. For an example, Vanek might have been a good option. He's putting up decent points and cost practically next to nothing.

Like I said, I hope Stewart proves me wrong but as of right now, I don't see how we got better this TD other than increasing our depth with a guy who might or might not work out.

[Jason14h]

The Flames were trade deadline losers. Our direct competition got better over the past week, and we did not.

It's hard to say BT did great. He may have the proper/smart move not to move assets for what was being asked, but we are not in a better position to make playoffs today then we were a few days ago.