02-26-2018, 01:39 PM
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#61
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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
37th overall in 2016, 27th overall in 2016, ~25-30th overall in 2018 and Namestnikov (44 points in 62 games although probably benefiting from his team) and a potential 2nd rounder. That's not a bad haul for New York either.
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Eh... the 2016 picks have limited upside at this point. Howden's in D+2 and something like 1.5 ppg, which isn't anything to write home about. Hajek is a mystery, but projects as a bottom 3 D if he pans out. You'd be better off with a 27th and 37th pick than those two guys, which just means their value is less than it was when they were drafted.
This is a good trade for Yzerman. He didn't really give anything up beyond his first, and he upgraded his top 6 and top 4 significantly.
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02-26-2018, 01:39 PM
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#62
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#1 Goaltender
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Tampa is winning the cup.
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02-26-2018, 01:40 PM
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#63
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Originally Posted by albertGQ
Is McDonaugh that good that he got traded for this much? I don't watch any Rangers games so I'm not sure.
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Yes. Top pairing guy, good for ~40pts.
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02-26-2018, 01:41 PM
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#64
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hackey
Tampa is winning the cup.
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if they do, it should be their first because it was in back in 04.
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02-26-2018, 01:41 PM
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#65
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Eh... the 2016 picks have limited upside at this point. Howden's in D+2 and something like 1.5 ppg, which isn't anything to write home about. Hajek is a mystery, but projects as a bottom 3 D if he pans out. You'd be better off with a 27th and 37th pick than those two guys, which just means their value is less than it was when they were drafted.
This is a good trade for Yzerman. He didn't really give anything up beyond his first, and he upgraded his top 6 and top 4 significantly.
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Nemestnikov is a very good player
not saying its a bad deal but they gave up a tone...could be two 1sts
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02-26-2018, 01:41 PM
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#66
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
oooh conditional 2nd can become another 1st:
Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Draft picks in NYR/TB deal. There is a first in 2018 and a second-rounder that becomes a first if TB wins the Stanley Cup this year or next
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that evens things up a little...
TB is making a run for the cup and have tons of assets to trade, so still a great move by TB... Rangers in rebuild mode
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02-26-2018, 01:42 PM
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Referee
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: In your enterprise AI
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hackey
Tampa is winning the cup.
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I personally never liked hearing this phrase.
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02-26-2018, 01:42 PM
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hackey
Tampa is winning the cup.
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think they win the East for sure.
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02-26-2018, 01:42 PM
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#69
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Bonavista, Newfoundland
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How much better than Hamonic is McDonagh?
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02-26-2018, 01:43 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by dino7c
how could we even come close? Nemestnikov has more points than Miller and is younger
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Miller is actually 5 months younger, bigger, a little more physical, strong on Face Offs and has only 4 fewer points this season. He had 56 points last year though, to Namestinikov's 28.
Namestnikov - 44 points, 29 ES points, 15.7% shooting percentage, 60 hits, 47.3% FOW
Miller - 40 points, 28 ES points, 13.3% shooting percentage, 83 hits, 54.3% FO win,
Difference in production this year is pretty much just shooting percentage based.
Tampa upgrades here IMO.
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02-26-2018, 01:43 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Nemestnikov is a very good player
not saying its a bad deal but they gave up a tone...could be two 1sts
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they'll happily pay that second 1st.
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02-26-2018, 01:43 PM
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Libor Hajek, Brett Holden, Vladislav Nemestnikov, 2018 1st round pick, conditional second round pick
That's not a lot to give up. If you can include Brodie in this deal, or flip him in a separate deal to get additional assets it lessens the impact even more.
Andersson > Hajek.
I dunno I think we could have beat this offer.
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02-26-2018, 01:43 PM
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#73
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Miller is actually 5 months younger, bigger, a little more physical, strong on Face Offs and has only 4 fewer points this season. He had 56 points last year though, to Namestinikov's 28.
Namestnikov - 44 points, 29 ES points, 15.7% shooting percentage, 60 hits, 47.3% FOW
Miller - 40 points, 28 ES points, 13.3% shooting percentage, 83 hits, 54.3% FO win,
Difference in production this year is pretty much just shooting percentage based.
Tampa upgrades here IMO.
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Still the point remains Calgary couldn't even come close to this...which is what I was responding to
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02-26-2018, 01:43 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by MRCboicgy
I personally never liked hearing this phrase.
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The way they've built and managed that team is impressive. I've pretty much forgot about what happened a decade and a half ago.
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02-26-2018, 01:44 PM
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#75
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Originally Posted by Hackey
The way they've built and managed that team is impressive. I've pretty much forgot about what happened a decade and a half ago.
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They have tanked about 5 times but its Tampa and nobody cares when they have a bad season
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02-26-2018, 01:44 PM
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#76
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
Libor Hajek, Brett Holden, Vladislav Nemestnikov, 2018 1st round pick, conditional second round pick
That's not a lot to give up. If you can include Brodie in this deal, or flip him in a separate deal to get additional assets it lessens the impact even more.
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Just stop. We have nothing close to the package that was offered.
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02-26-2018, 01:44 PM
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#77
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Nemestnikov is a very good player
not saying its a bad deal but they gave up a tone...could be two 1sts
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Don't know about very good. He's definitely got the talent to produce playing with Stamkos/Kucherov but he is definitely shooting above his career average and around 15% right now which is ridiculous.
Add into the fact that he's probably going to ask for a significant raise just because of this year makes it a little questionable how easy it would be to keep him.
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02-26-2018, 01:45 PM
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#78
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Murph
How much better than Hamonic is McDonagh?
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By a decent hurdle rate but different skill sets and situations when the trades were made
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02-26-2018, 01:46 PM
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In the Sin Bin
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Two 1sts is only if they win the cup. In any case the other will be damn near a 2nd rounder.
I think this is great value. Miller and Mcdonough are both young and both have contract left. I think Miller > Namestnikov personally.
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02-26-2018, 01:47 PM
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#80
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15
Just stop. We have nothing close to the package that was offered.
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Don't get why people feel like we should have been on this. We're fighting for our lives to make the playoffs and that's already after making big purchases earlier in the season.
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