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Old 02-12-2018, 10:49 AM   #61
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Listened to an interview on the weekend with Andrew Weaver, Green Party leader in BC. Talk about a hypocrite. Started out talking about how the world needs to transition from fossil fuels which is not unexpected. But he also said that they were not opposed to KM if it was transporting refined products, just not bitumen. So I guess tankers spilling diesel, gasoline, or crude are acceptable just not bitumen. He also stated that there were refineries in Atlantic Canada capable of taking bitumen and efforts should be focused on getting the product there. So I guess it is also acceptable tot he Greens to pipe it through Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, and New Brunswick. Just not BC.
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Listened to an interview on the weekend with Andrew Weaver, Green Party leader in BC. Talk about a hypocrite. Started out talking about how the world needs to transition from fossil fuels which is not unexpected. But he also said that they were not opposed to KM if it was transporting refined products, just not bitumen. So I guess tankers spilling diesel, gasoline, or crude are acceptable just not bitumen. He also stated that there were refineries in Atlantic Canada capable of taking bitumen and efforts should be focused on getting the product there. So I guess it is also acceptable tot he Greens to pipe it through Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, and New Brunswick. Just not BC.
He's wrong on that front. There's very little refining capacity available for heavy oil on the east coast.
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He's wrong on that front. There's very little refining capacity available for heavy oil on the east coast.
Can’t Irving take it? Other than that I’d imagine the only option would be if Suncor goes ahead with putting cokers on the front end of Montreal
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Listened to an interview on the weekend with Andrew Weaver, Green Party leader in BC. Talk about a hypocrite. Started out talking about how the world needs to transition from fossil fuels which is not unexpected. But he also said that they were not opposed to KM if it was transporting refined products, just not bitumen. So I guess tankers spilling diesel, gasoline, or crude are acceptable just not bitumen. He also stated that there were refineries in Atlantic Canada capable of taking bitumen and efforts should be focused on getting the product there. So I guess it is also acceptable tot he Greens to pipe it through Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario, Quebec, and New Brunswick. Just not BC.
Notley needs to hop on this hard to galvanize the rest of Canada against BC. “BC doesn’t care about the environment, just unconstitutional NIMBYism. They’re fine with shipping it across thousands of extra kilometres and 4 or 5 provinces to load on the east coast instead of right next door off their coast.”
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Notley needs to hop on this hard to galvanize the rest of Canada against BC. “BC doesn’t care about the environment, just unconstitutional NIMBYism. They’re fine with shipping it across thousands of extra kilometres and 4 or 5 provinces to load on the east coast instead of right next door off their coast.”

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Premier Rachel Notley told reporters Monday in Edmonton that B.C. and Ottawa officials are currently in talks to resolve what she has branded that province’s illegal, unconstitutional actions.

She’ll give the two governments space to talk, but they shouldn’t expect long.

“We’re not going to wait indefinitely,” Notley said.

B.C. has two choices, Notley said Monday.

It can either reverse its planned policy on bitumen, or it can “dig in their heels and pretend they’re a separate country with powers to make whatever laws they want, with no regard for the constitution or the view and rights of other communities.”

“We don’t seek an escalation, but if B.C. continues to insist that they have rights to attack Alberta’s economy that they don’t have, we will have no choice but to respond.”

When asked whether she thinks anything will change Horgan’s mind, Notley said he was elected not on a platform of stopping the $7.4-billion Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, but on using all the tools at his disposal to try to do so.

“I’m suggesting that it should be a toolbox that’s legal, not a stolen toolbox,” Notley said.

“This is a critical moment for our country. We can either act as one nation with a common future committed to jobs, prosperity, social justice and a clean environment, or we can continue this unnecessary fight,” Notley said.

“The ball is in B.C.’s court.”
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Can’t Irving take it? Other than that I’d imagine the only option would be if Suncor goes ahead with putting cokers on the front end of Montreal
Irving can’t right now, but could retool to accept it
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Irving can’t right now, but could retool to accept it
Does it make sense to through given the ample supplies of light oil available right now?
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http://vancouversun.com/pmn/news-pmn...1-f1f24f1ba108

Also some interesting news that could have a small impact on all this



http://vancouversun.com/news/local-n...research-shows
I'm personally shocked that the NDP and Greens would ignore research that doesn't agree with their preconceived notions. Because this whole exercise has been a rational, scientific macro view to begin with...

It's also interesting that KM agreed to revenue share with the BC gov, wonder if all the people in this thread backing an unconstitutional blackmailing of the AB government as well knew that.
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:25 AM   #69
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It's also interesting that KM agreed to revenue share with the BC gov, wonder if all the people in this thread backing an unconstitutional blackmailing of the AB government as well knew that.
There are people in this thread backing what the BC government is doing?
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Amazingly, yes. Serves as a good filter for seeing who can't analyze risk, or just plain hates Alberta/oil.
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:51 AM   #71
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Notley needs a doctor evil esque red button on her desk and a wheel behind her with different economic consequences and a countdown clock.

That would be awesome

BC Premiere - "We won't back down"

Notley looks at the clock counting down, and it hits zero with a big buzzing noise, and Notley hammers the button while screaming

"Big money no whammys"

Then when it stops she smiles at the camera

"Spin the wheel lose a deal"

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Notley needs a doctor evil esque red button on her desk and a wheel behind her with different economic consequences and a countdown clock.

That would be awesome

BC Premiere - "We won't back down"

Notley looks at the clock counting down, and it hits zero with a big buzzing noise, and Notley hammers the button while screaming

"Big money no whammys"

Then when it stops she smiles at the camera

"Spin the wheel lose a deal"

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ha! awesome!

i think it would be even better if they could do a split screen, the other shot being of horgan watching his monitor as the wheel goes round and round
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Notley is the perfect ambassador for this. Kenny would look like a bully right now instead Notely looks like a protector of Alberta and the Canadian Constitution. Wrapping herself in the NDP flag and her Carbon Tax anti-coal initiatives positions herself well in this fight.

Very impressed with Notley on this issue.
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Notley is the perfect ambassador for this. Kenny would look like a bully right now instead Notely looks like a protector of Alberta and the Canadian Constitution. Wrapping herself in the NDP flag and her Carbon Tax anti-coal initiatives positions herself well in this fight.

Very impressed with Notley on this issue.
One thing is for sure. This is the break the NDP needed to gain some political currency. It even times well with the election, as some kind of a result will be achieved before polls open. How this is handled will weigh heavily on AB's opinion of who should lead the province come may 2019.
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Notley is the perfect ambassador for this. Kenny would look like a bully right now instead Notely looks like a protector of Alberta and the Canadian Constitution. Wrapping herself in the NDP flag and her Carbon Tax anti-coal initiatives positions herself well in this fight.

Very impressed with Notley on this issue.
Maybe, but if this keeps dragging on, and nothing happens, and we don't see shovels moving, will Alberta want a ambassador or a bully by the next election?
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Dont overlook Shannon Stubbs, the Opposition natural resources critic in the House of Commons. She's introduced a motion to compel the Feds to outline their specific plan to get it built.

Feds trying to frame it as her trying to stoke regional differences. Not sure the Feds are listening very well. Notley needs to ramp this up.
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Maybe, but if this keeps dragging on, and nothing happens, and we don't see shovels moving, will Alberta want a ambassador or a bully by the next election?
I hope voters ask themselves what they think Kenney could actually do to expedite the situation before making a decision. If Notley hadn’t implemented the carbon tax it’s hard to believe the trudeau government would have approved the pipelines to begin with, so IMO it’s hard to imagine the person who opposed every policy that was necessary for the approval and to get as close as we are now would be better suited to get this done.
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Dont overlook Shannon Stubbs, the Opposition natural resources critic in the House of Commons. She's introduced a motion to compel the Feds to outline their specific plan to get it built.

Feds trying to frame it as her trying to stoke regional differences. Not sure the Feds are listening very well. Notley needs to ramp this up.
The motion is more symbolic then anything else. The government will kill it, the NDP won't support it.

I did like Notley saying she's going to give a few days for the government to get their shyte together, while implying that she has another step in mind if they don't.
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I have no doubt the government will shelve it, but it's important that the pressure is on the Feds in QP. It stays in the media cycle.

Trudeau is looking at addressing everything he can that isn't this issue.
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Notley is the perfect ambassador for this. Kenny would look like a bully right now instead Notely looks like a protector of Alberta and the Canadian Constitution. Wrapping herself in the NDP flag and her Carbon Tax anti-coal initiatives positions herself well in this fight.

Very impressed with Notley on this issue.
There's no doubt the optics nationally are a lot better than if it was the CP. Maybe the first time we have seen a positive impact from this government in this province.
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