[Rumour] McKenzie: Flames among the teams most interested in Evander Kane

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Frolik yes
Valimaki no

If the Sabres are doing even a semi-blowup, they will want a really good prospect.

That said, Kane is a UFA so I can't see a blue chipper like Valimaki going. What was the going rate for a top rental last year?

[squirtle]

Buffalo also utilizes him in that PP spot on the top right and he's ripping it up. It's the same spot Versteeg used to play.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If the Sabres are doing even a semi-blowup, they will want a really good prospect.

That said, Kane is a UFA so I can't see a blue chipper like Valimaki going. What was the going rate for a top rental last year?

The biggest fish last year - Kevin Shattenkirk

The Blues got promising 22-year-old forward Zach Sanford, minor league forward Brad Malone, a first-round pick in the 2017 NHL Draft and conditional draft picks (one of which could be a 2019 second-round pick). The Capitals also received minor league goaltender Pheonix Copley.

Can't think of any scoring wingers that were almost at a PPG pace last year.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

obviously not...just saying I wouldn't do that package

Kane is far better offensively than Ferland or Frolik though

Kane is not far better offensively than Ferland. He lacks Ferland's ability to read off his linemates. He would frustrate Gaudreau to no end.

[bubbsy]

Kane is an annual 40 point player. THAT'S IT.

You have to go back over half a decade to find his only season with more than 50. Don't want him as a rental. Don't want him as a ufa given the contract he will want. He isn't that good.

[Erick Estrada]

I would also be weary of a guy like this that produces better than his career average in a contract year. He's strictly a shooter, doesn't make players around him better, and he's never played more than 74 games in a season. Lots of red flags with this guy IMO. Like I said before I understand the interest but I think this could be a move that blows up in Treliving's face.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Can't possibly see why the Flames would be interested in him. I mean the Flames' PP is humming now that Versteeg is out, we have a ton of scoring depth at forward, we're a nasty team to play against and we aren't all in to make the playoffs this year. No need for a guy like Kane with this franchise, nosiree.

Given your pessimistic view on the team do you really think they should be spending more futures on a rental?

Kane likely costs one of our better D prospects ++

Flames don’t have a 1st next year and if they make the playoffs they do not have a 2nd until 2021.

The only way I see Kane coming here is if he is part of a package for a guy like Hamilton who appears to be the biggest need for Buffalo. Hamilton and Brouwer for Kane and RoR with both RoR and Brouwer being retained $1.5M

[kyuss275]

Would love to add Kane but the assets have already been spent. Unless GM is willing to let go of a serious good prospect, then the odds of getting a top line rental is going to be close to 0.

Also not sure why posters put Brouwer in trade proposals? THere is no chance he waives to go to Buffalo durring the season.

[Toonage]

Not my best work. Likely based on my not really wanting to see Kane in Calgary. Thoughts?


- D.Hamilton, F.Hamilton, Fox & 2018 3RD
+ Kane, O'Reilly & 2018 4TH

Sabres clear $7.5M in cap space in O'Reilly, get a roster ready top D, a top prospect and a pick. And Freddie.
Flames get their 1LRW who they can now negotiate with on an extension, put O'Reilly there if they prefer and play Kane on the 3L whatever. They also clear $5.75M to do that and add a 4th round pick they might be able to package

Still money to re-sign Backlund, Kane and fit O'Reilly in under the cap
Jankowski would need to be bridged

[gunnner]

What has Ferland done to be given up on so soon as a first line RW, and what in Kanes body of work shows he is a better 1RW than Ferland. Ferland is on pace to match Kanes career high in goals, so lets give up assets we dont have and replace our home grown prospect who has good chemistry with his linemates for a rental with a bad attitude who will walk at the end of the year to sign with Vegas on an albatross of a contract. If its not clear, im against the move.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I don’t want the Flames giving up a 1st, especially for a rental. Maybe a player and a prospect. I just don’t see the Flames as a great fit, but who knows.

If Treliving trades another high pick, this will be bordering on insanity. The Flames are now down to 2 picks in the first three rounds of the next two draft years and they aren't exactly in championship mode.

[locsofblu]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

A Feaster man, are you?

No but can I have my own opinion on Treliving? Pretty sure this isn't a communist board.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Not my best work. Likely based on my not really wanting to see Kane in Calgary. Thoughts?


- D.Hamilton, F.Hamilton, Fox & 2018 3RD
+ Kane, O'Reilly & 2018 4TH

Sabres clear $7.5M in cap space in O'Reilly, get a roster ready top D, a top prospect and a pick. And Freddie.
Flames get their 1LRW who they can now negotiate with on an extension, put O'Reilly there if they prefer and play Kane on the 3L whatever. They also clear $5.75M to do that and add a 4th round pick they might be able to package

Still money to re-sign Backlund, Kane and fit O'Reilly in under the cap
Jankowski would need to be bridged

I feel the Flames give up too much in the deal. A top prospect and a top pair right shot D signed to a great deal and the higher pick for a rental and an overpaid second line C. If the Sabres retained $1.5-$2M on RoR then I like it more. Having said that losing Dougie and Fox really takes a bite out of the right side.

[Sutter_in_law]

I would like to have Kane on this team, but only if he plays very good for us and we don't give up anything of value.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by locsofblu

No. But can I have my own opinion of Treliving?

Of course. Just wondering, because plenty of anti-Treliving posters are that way because they disliked Feaster's firing. And since you seem to have a particular hate for the guy, who's been an above average GM in his tenure.

[MisterJoji]

In the Ferland vs. Kane debate don’t forget about the intangibles. Ferland has overcome a lot and really seems like a down to earth, humble and well liked teammate. Kane has been a d*uche-canoe his entire career. Ferly’s on pace to score a whopping 5 less goals than Kane this year at 33% of the cost and is a year younger. Ferland over Kane every day of the week.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Not my best work. Likely based on my not really wanting to see Kane in Calgary. Thoughts?


- D.Hamilton, F.Hamilton, Fox & 2018 3RD
+ Kane, O'Reilly & 2018 4TH

Sabres clear $7.5M in cap space in O'Reilly, get a roster ready top D, a top prospect and a pick. And Freddie.
Flames get their 1LRW who they can now negotiate with on an extension, put O'Reilly there if they prefer and play Kane on the 3L whatever. They also clear $5.75M to do that and add a 4th round pick they might be able to package

Still money to re-sign Backlund, Kane and fit O'Reilly in under the cap
Jankowski would need to be bridged

I'd do it except Brodie instead of Hamilton. However, I don't know if the extra $1M makes a difference to the Flames' cap in the scenario.

[Toonage]

Brodie could definitely be swapped with the Hamiltons, I just figured the Flames were already heavy on the right side and could handle losing a RHD still having Hamonic, Stone, & Andersson

[Travis Munroe]

Why does it have to be Ferland vs Kane... why not both and be the team nobody wants to play a 7 game series against? A team with Ferland, Kane, Tkachuk, Bennett & Hathaway and Blues playoff Brouwer is the last team I would want to play in the playoffs.... Now you have Mony, Johny, Backlund, Frolik, Janko to score and still have 3 of your 4 top tier d men + no problem filling the void with guys knocking at the door.

As for Kane.... I still stand by the fact that 1) Lots of guys have had maturity issues with big money at a young age and most of them snap out of it. 2) My homer glasses tell me Tre and Burke might be 2 of the last guys you want to face after messing up.

I am 100% on board with losing a 2019 1st as long as it means a multi-year deal. Our 1st in 2019 should be 23rd + which is no home run by any stretch.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Brodie could definitely be swapped with the Hamiltons, I just figured the Flames were already heavy on the right side and could handle losing a RHD still having Hamonic, Stone, & Andersson

I just like Hamilton's toolbox more than Brodie's and his potential to become good in his own zone is better too.

On handedness, while the Flames have a lot of RHD, that's because Treliving really worked at it. RHD are pretty hard to find in the league. Plus, Valimaki and Kylington are LHD. Valimaki is really close to being NHL ready IMO. I suppose that handedness and age are reasons why Buffalo would insist on Hamilton, but I still think Hamilton will be a top Dman in the league for a lot of years. The Flames would arguably be giving up the best player in the deal, which = losing the deal.