[Trade] 3 Way Trade: Duchene to Ottawa. Turris to Nashville. Picks + prospects to Colorado

[Vinny01]

Pretty big blockbuster. I like it for the Preds the most. Good on Ottawa for being aggressive.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

I like it a lot for Colorado and Nashville

Ottawa needs Duchesne to be an 80+ point top line guy, anything less than it's too much

They have the highest ceiling player in the deal, but also the biggest potential of it blowing up in their face

Dont know about that, as there were what..... 6 of those guys last year league wide?

I get what you are saying though. I think if Duchene can just get back to the player he was 3 years ago, and the Sens can get him for another 6 or more years, then its a good deal for them.

[GreenLantern2814]

I really like this for Nashville - Johannsen and Turris are solid down the middle, and Bonino is a good #3C.

Duchene is better than Turris, but I don't see Ottawa as that much further ahead.

Decent job by Sakic considering he's been in a no win scenario with Duchene for months

[JFK]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

In:
PK Subban
Ryan Johansen
Kyle Turris
Nick Bonino

You're praising the Bonino signing?

Nick plays center but his numbers coming in and the contract he signed are hilariously close to Brouwer's stats and contract. I don't know how you square the two opinions.

[OzSome]

The only player I know the Avs picked up is Andrew Hammond, who I heard lost confidence after getting injured. Colorado going full rebuild again?

[Meers]

Great result for Nashville, damnit.

OK result for Colorado, as they get both futures and an assist on tanking this season. The Coyotes and Oilers may have some competition for the highest lottery odds.

As for Ottawa, Duchene for Turris isn't exactly a massive upgrade.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Dont know about that, as there were what..... 6 of those guys last year league wide?

I get what you are saying though. I think if Duchene can just get back to the player he was 3 years ago, and the Sens can get him for another 6 or more years, then its a good deal for them.

They gave up a guy getting between 60-65 on average over 82

Plus a 1st rounder from last year, another first and 3rd

They need a big upgrade on what they gave up, which he can be, the two-year period in Colorado he had where they were decent he put up 43 in 47 and 70 in 71

He has the skill, up to him to show it now

[sureLoss]

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Note: OTT 2018 1st to COL is top 10-protected. If OTT ends up there, Sens have option to keep. If they do, COL gets 2019 1st no matter what.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

So to recap each team's in / out,

Ottawa trades C Kyle Turris, G Andrew Hammond, 1st rd pick, 3rd rd pick, C Shane Bowers (1st rd pick 2017) and receives C Matt Duchene

Nashville trades 2nd rd pick, D Samuel Girard (2nd rd pick 2016) and LW Vladislav Kamenev (2nd rd pick 2014) and receives C Kyle Turris

Colorado trades C Matt Duchene and receives C Shane Bowers, D Samuel Girard, LW Vladislav Kamenev, G Andrew Hammond, 1st rd pick, 2nd rd pick, 3rd rd pick

I like it a lot for Nashville, who capitalize on a strong start from Girard to get a very good #2C (borderline #1C) under contract for decent term for not much money.

I like it a lot for Colorado, who get a solid haul for Duchene, especially the picks. Given the situation they were in that is more than I would have expected they'd get.

I don't know if I like it for Ottawa. It'll depend if Duchene can be a 70 point player for them again, and can be re-signed for a decent number. The issue is that he hasn't put up numbers that are any better than Turris's for the past 3 seasons or so. So giving up what is essentially two firsts and a third to make a lateral move would be potentially pretty damaging to their future. And even if Duchene does put up 10 points per season over Turris, and costs a million a year more, is that worth it for what they gave up?

[Lanny_McDonald]

What a gross overpayment. Can't believe anyone would give that much for a guy similar to Jordan Eberle.

[dammage79]

Kamenev can play Center too if I am not mistaken. Neat haul for COL in a good draft.

Duchene will likely breturn to previous form now that he is out of the place he did not want to be. NSH just got deeper with Turris to that confrence championship forward roster. I like it for all three teams honestly.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by New Era

What a gross overpayment. Can't believe anyone would give that much for a guy similar to Jordan Eberle.

Hey at least the Oilers screwed themselves over getting Strome for top line help..... HAHA.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Depends what the Avs do with the picks obviously, but it has the potential to be a huge trade for them. I like Girard a lot, undersized but big offensive potential.

[Machiavelli]

Does Poile make bad decisions?

[FiveSeven]

Terrrrrrible for Ottawa.
Pretty good for Nashville.
Amazing for Colorado.

[sureLoss]

TSN story about how it was unlikely Turris would re-sign with Ottawa

http://www.tsn.ca/how-did-it-come-to...urris-1.906604

On the surface, it always seemed to me that Turris loved Ottawa and the organization valued him in return. But his answer – which I will paraphrase because it wasn’t recorded in any fashion – was a window into what would happen a few months down the road.

“If we don’t have something by the start of training camp, that’s not a good sign. I don’t want to be talking contract during the season,” Turris told me. That quote might be off by a word or two, but its essence is accurate: Turris wanted his future solidified by early September at the latest.

Sure enough, when early September rolled around, Turris and the Senators were nowhere near a deal. Dorion would only categorize the talks as “on-going”, but at no point was anybody led to believe that a deal was imminent as the summer drew to a close.

When it came time for Turris to do an on-the-record interview with me at the Senators golf tournament on September 11th, he quickly shot down my question about the state of his contract negotiations

“I don’t think that’s something for me to comment on. I’m just here to play hockey. That’s as far as I’m going to go,” he said sharply during a live radio interview on TSN 1200.

Turris’ body language that day couldn’t have been more telling. This was a player who felt like he was not getting a contract done in Ottawa and was biting his tongue at the thought of being asked about this in a public forum.

Considering he’d already been through one tumultuous contract situation in his career – which involved a holdout in Arizona – Turris probably has a better pulse than most 28-year-olds when negotiations are going off the rails.

The final straw appeared on opening night in October, when TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger created a frenzy by stating the Senators would likely end up trading Turris at some point during the season since they would be unlikely to meet his contractual demands.

At that point, things took a definitive turn for the worse – at least in the public sphere. But many wondered aloud if this was simply a negotiation tactic from the organization to apply pressure to the Turris camp. Dorion had been in contract negotiations that had been more toxic in the public eye – such as his spat with Marc Methot and his agent Larry Kelly in the fall of 2014. But even then, cooler heads prevailed, the storm clouds passed and the two sides eventually agreed on a contract extension.

What makes the Turris situation more puzzling is that it seemingly took his camp all of about 30 minutes to hammer out a new contract with the Nashville Predators. He inked a fairly reasonable six-year contract worth a total of $36 million with the Predators minutes after the trade was finalized on Sunday night. Nobody would mistake that contract for an outrageous demand, given the current landscape in the NHL. Turris easily would have fetched that – if not more – on the open market next summer.
So if Turris’ agent Kurt Overhardt and Nashville general manager David Poile were able to hammer out a deal in the matter of a few hours, then what on earth happened in Ottawa?

Either Turris wasn’t willing to sign that contract with Ottawa or the Senators weren’t willing to pay him that money.

Based on what the chatter has been around the situation, it seems like the Turris camp framed the majority of their negotiations with the Senators around a seven or eight-year deal. The smart money suggests that a six-year, $36 million contract with Ottawa was probably never really on the table from the Turris camp. But then again, as contract negotiations become public, there is a lot of posturing from both sides and you have to take all the information with a huge grain of salt.

So instead of waiting to see how this played itself out over the course of the next three months, Dorion pulled the trigger on a massive three-way deal that shipped Turris to Nashville, Duchene to Ottawa and a package of young talent to Colorado.

[Mr.Coffee]

so how did the contract extension for Turris work? Was he told he was traded and then they offered Turris the extension right away, or was it already being negotiated (isn't that tampering?)?

Sorry likely stupid question but I don't get how it all happened so fast. Was it what was on the table from the Turris camp but Ottawa wouldn't sign and Nashville would? Just curious how something like that logistically would work.

[schooner]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

so how did the contract extension for Turris work? Was he told he was traded and then they offered Turris the extension right away, or was it already being negotiated (isn't that tampering?)?

Sorry likely stupid question but I don't get how it all happened so fast. Was it what was on the table from the Turris camp but Ottawa wouldn't sign and Nashville would? Just curious how something like that logistically would work.

Almost certain that Ott gave permission to Nashville to talk to Turris. Deal would not have happened if a contract was not in place.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

so how did the contract extension for Turris work? Was he told he was traded and then they offered Turris the extension right away, or was it already being negotiated (isn't that tampering?)?

Sorry likely stupid question but I don't get how it all happened so fast. Was it what was on the table from the Turris camp but Ottawa wouldn't sign and Nashville would? Just curious how something like that logistically would work.

It was reported today that Nashville negotiated the extension for 4 hours before the trade was finalized. In which case Ottawa would have given permission for Nashville to negotiate the contract.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

It was reported today that Nashville negotiated the extension for 4 hours before the trade was finalized. In which case Ottawa would have given permission for Nashville to negotiate the contract.

Wow. $36 million for a guy who will get you 20 goals and 50 points per year during the first few years of the contract. Meh. You can have him Nashville. He ain't bringing you the Cup.