Friedman: Flames ownership killed Bishop trade to Flames last summer

[Robbob]

Lol, helps if I read the post. For some reason I thought we were still talking about Feaster trading Regehr. My bad.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

CP poster Reggie Dunlop if I'm not mistaken.

Ironically, Ken King was once my boss.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

The man who got horrible returns for Regehr, Iginla, and Bouwmeester..

Hold up.

How was Paul Byron a "horrible" return for a 32 year old Regehr + Kotalik's dead salary (=7 million cap hit). Byron wwould have been tied for second on the Flames in goals this year while being a highly versatile even strength player and elite penalty killer.

If our GM were smart enough to combine a good aging vet like Stajan with an anchor contract like Brouwer and come out of it with a Byron caliber 22 year old I certainly would not call that a "horrible" return. In fact I would consider it a pipe dream.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Hold up.

How was Paul Byron a "horrible" return for a 32 year old Regehr + Kotalik's dead salary (=7 million cap hit). Byron wwould have been tied for second on the Flames in goals this year while being a highly versatile even strength player and elite penalty killer.

If our GM were smart enough to combine a good aging vet like Stajan with an anchor contract like Brouwer and come out of it with a Byron caliber 22 year old I certainly would not call that a "horrible" return. In fact I would consider it a pipe dream.

Paul Byron for Regehr + Kotalik (who's cap-hit went away when he left the NHL) + Jake McCabe (we tossed in a 2nd round pick in that deal, if you don't remember).

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Paul Byron for Regehr + Kotalik (who's cap-hit went away when he left the NHL) + Jake McCabe (we tossed in a 2nd round pick in that deal, if you don't remember).

Fair enough. That's not a steal but it's market value for taking on dead salary. Kotalik was not only unwanted but ownership was not prepared to pay him NhL money to play in the minors.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Hold up.

How was Paul Byron a "horrible" return for a 32 year old Regehr + Kotalik's dead salary (=7 million cap hit). Byron wwould have been tied for second on the Flames in goals this year while being a highly versatile even strength player and elite penalty killer.

If our GM were smart enough to combine a good aging vet like Stajan with an anchor contract like Brouwer and come out of it with a Byron caliber 22 year old I certainly would not call that a "horrible" return. In fact I would consider it a pipe dream.

Because at the time Regehr was still an elite shutdown defenseman and Byron just recently realised his potential after years of looking like he might be no better than an undersized 4th liner.

BTW, you'll notice that he's not with the Flames anymore with nothing in return, so the whole "great return!" argument is kinda moot.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

BTW, you'll notice that he's not with the Flames anymore with nothing in return, .

That is on Treliving.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

From what I've heard the return for Bishop was 2 2nd's and Backlund (Dube pick + the one we dealt for Elliott). Not from official sources though.

Both trades would have been poor, very poor deals for the Flames. I'm glad they were vetoed. Losing Gaudreau, Monahan, and Backlund + 2 2nd's just to have Seguin and Bishop would have been a disaster for the organization.

So why are we pissed at ownership nixing these deals? Kind of sounds like they know what they're doing. Maybe they need to start speaking up on July 1 too?

I mean in all seriousness we'd be worse than the Stars if these rumored deals had happened. Isn't that concerning?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

That is on Treliving.

Also on Byron for not being better during his time here. If he was that great he would never have been put on waivers. Hindsight makes it look way worse than it was at the time.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Also on Byron for not being better during his time here. If he was that great he would never have been put on waivers. Hindsight makes it look way worse than it was at the time.

Didn't we waive Byron to keep Raymond up?
Then lose Byron and have buy out Raymond who is still on our books?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Also on Byron for not being better during his time here. If he was that great he would never have been put on waivers. .

Uh Byron was very good during his time here. In 2014 he was responsible for the culture shift and in 2015 he was a huge part of our place in the standings and then he got injured. Size fetish bias + some bad luck on breakaways got him waived, not performance. The player feaster traded for + getting rid of Kotalik was not a horrible return.

Originally Posted by Jacks

Didn't we waive Byron to keep Raymond up?
Then lose Byron and have buy out Raymond who is still on our books?

We waived Byron for no reason other than size fetish bias. Neither Bollig, Colborne nor Raymond deserved roster spots over him and in retrospect neither did Bouma. But the key point is this: a different management group elected to waive him. Feaster elected to bring him in while getting rid of dead salary. Feaster did not get horrible return because Treliving thought Brandon Bollig brought more to the table (lol)

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Uh Byron was very good during his time here. In 2014 he was responsible for the culture shift and in 2015 he was a huge part of our place in the standings and then he got injured. Size fetish bias + some bad luck on breakaways got him waived, not performance. The player feaster traded for + getting rid of Kotalik was not a horrible return.

Not denying Paul Byron wasn't a good player, but I doubt he'd have a huge impact on the culture shift and the 2015 flames playoff appearance if he would go on waivers. He's Paul Byron after all.

[calgaryblood]

Friedman has legit sources. This franchise needs to wake up or continue to be a joke. Ownership meddling never works.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Hold up.
Byron would have been tied for second on the Flames in goals this year while being a highly versatile even strength player and elite penalty killer.

Byron also benefited from playing in the eastern conference. I doubt he would have put up the points he did if he played on the Flames.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Didn't we waive Byron to keep Raymond up?
Then lose Byron and have buy out Raymond who is still on our books?

No, both Raymond and Byron were waived the same day. Byron didn't need to be waived.

[MarkGio]

Of course ownership meddles. Has nobody here ever answered to an owner of a company before? Firstly, I don't care how trusting you are, nobody is given absolutely pure autonomy. Especially when tinkering with millions in salary. Secondly, no CEO or owner is a trusting person. Not in the least. And finally, these are hobby businesses for owners. That's like a nerd letting someone else manage their level 70 warlock for a few months.

Besides, the day you manage you business like some sort of mutual fund is the day it's starts going into the red.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

To be clear Bishop was traded 3 days before the trade deadline.

Right, right. I guess the point is though, is he needs to be in the loop, he should be available one way or another. Too much to ask, 24/7? Maybe. But then​ don't place those kinds of policies in place.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Friedman has legit sources. This franchise needs to wake up or continue to be a joke. Ownership meddling never works.

The hope is that the Treliving contract signals a systemic change in the organization.

[Freeway]

Regehr was traded at the draft so the Flames would have the cap space to re-sign Tanguay. They then HAD to trade down in the 2012 Draft to recoup the second rounder they lost, and then they sold off a disgruntled Tanguay (post-Iginla trade) for pennies on the dollar.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Byron also benefited from playing in the eastern conference. I doubt he would have put up the points he did if he played on the Flames.

Why? Only thing that changed was he learned how to score on breakaways...unless you're suggesting goalies are better in the west?