[News] Cam Fowler out 2-6 weeks after suffering knee on knee hit from Gio

[northcrunk]

The ducks have become the most hated team by me. I guess that's what happens when you get all the rats from Vancouver.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by dash_pinched

Not to derail this thread, but since posters have mentioned the Ritchie sucker punch from last night...

NHL Player Safety ✔ @NHLPlayerSafety
Anaheim’s Nick Ritchie will have a hearing this afternoon for roughing/sucker punch on Chicago’s Michal Rozsival.

I hate that they're calling it a suckerpunch. Rozsival crosschecks Perry, backs off, watches Ritchie skate over to him and stands there with his hands down waiting for him. Not wanting to fight and getting punched isn't the same as not seeing a punch coming.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Reaper

I hate that they're calling it a suckerpunch. Rozsival crosschecks Perry, backs off, watches Ritchie skate over to him and stands there with his hands down waiting for him. Not wanting to fight and getting punched isn't the same as not seeing a punch coming.

If you
Don't drop your gloves and accept the fight but the other player doesn't take no for an answer it is either a sucker punch or he was jumped. Either way dirty play by a player on a dirty team

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Concern now, if they play the Ducks in the playoffs, would be the attempt at retaliation against Gio or one of the other star players.

You know what, it would be nice for us to be in their heads for a change.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If you

Don't drop your gloves and accept the fight but the other player doesn't take no for an answer it is either a sucker punch or he was jumped. Either way dirty play by a player on a dirty team

Not saying that jumping someone who doesn't want to fight isn't dirty but it isn't a sucker punch. A sucker punch gives no warning. He watched Ritchie #### his arm and follow through. He got jumped; he didn't get sucker punched.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Not saying that jumping someone who doesn't want to fight isn't dirty but it isn't a sucker punch. A sucker punch gives no warning. He watched Ritchie #### his arm and follow through. He got jumped; he didn't get sucker punched.

Disagree, that was a sucker punch.

[IGGYFORMVP]

Lol if you didn't see that punch coming you are a sucker for sure.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Disagree, that was a sucker punch.

How was the punch in any way unexpected? That's what a sucker punch is. A sucker punch is a punch without warning and often without provocation.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Reaper

How was the punch in any way unexpected? That's what a sucker punch is. A sucker punch is a punch without warning and often without provocation.

I don't know but I'd say punching a guy while his gloves are still on is without warning. Usually there's face washes in scrums but a straight up punch while the other guys gloves are still on? That rarely happens and is a sucker punch. Every media outlet reporting on it called it a sucker punch. Here one of many articles calling it a sucker punch.

https://www.google.ca/amp/nhl.nbcspo...-rozsival/amp/



You think if Kesler connected with Frolik with his attempted sucker punch, it wouldn't be considered a sucker punch? How in any way would Frolik know Kesler was going to start throwing punches? Its NHL code not to punch someone without their gloves off. That is most definitely a sucker punch.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Concern now, if they play the Ducks in the playoffs, would be the attempt at retaliation against Gio or one of the other star players.

Sure hope that's where their heads are at if we play them. Anything that's has them focused on anything but the win is good.

[calgaryblood]

Even the NHL called it a sucker punch.

NHL Player Safety‏ @NHLPlayerSafety

Anaheim’s Nick Ritchie will have a hearing this afternoon for roughing/sucker punch on Chicago’s Michal Rozsival

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by IGGYFORMVP

Lol if you didn't see that punch coming you are a sucker for sure.

It makes no difference whether you see the punch coming or not. If I walk up to you on the street, shake your hand and then proceed to punch you in the face, and although you saw it coming does that not count as a sucker punch?

If Rozsival doesn't want to fight and his hands are down then he can't be punched in the face and shouldn't be expected to be punched in the face. When your gloves are off is the only time you should be expected to be punched in the face.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

I don't know but I'd say punching a guy while his gloves are still on is without warning. Usually there's face washes in scrums but a straight up punch while the other guys gloves are still on? That rarely happens and is a sucker punch. Every media outlet reporting on it called it a sucker punch. Here one of many articles calling it a sucker punch.

https://www.google.ca/amp/nhl.nbcspo...-rozsival/amp/

You think if Kesler connected with Frolik with his attempted sucker punch, it wouldn't be considered a sucker punch? How in any way would Frolik know Kesler was going to start throwing punches? Its NHL code not to punch someone without their gloves off. That is most definitely a sucker punch.

Without warning? Come on, man. He just crosschecked Perry to the ice and Ritchie is rushing him after the whistle while drawing back his arm. Rozsival must've thought "we're gonna talk about ponies" if he was dumb enough to think that Ritchie wasn't going to hit him. In that case, he should quit hockey because he lacks the basic skills of determining event probability.

Also, I really don't care that a whole bunch of media organizations used the incorrect term. An entire group being mistaken doesn't somehow make them right.

[calgaryblood]

Well if the NHL whose league is the one Ritchie plays in and is going to suspended in calls it a sucker punch then really that's all that matters.

If Gaudreau slashes someone and a bigger player comes up and punches him in the face then Gaudreau should have expected it?

Ritchie does not get to fight someone or punch someone because he's mad at Perry being cross checked. He can do what 99.9% of what other players do and challenge him to a fight but if he declined he can't just say"well I'm mad and charging towards you so you better expect a punch to the jaw". He doesn't have to fight and him doing what you want for it to be considered fair would be him accepting a fight.

If a much bigger guy was challenging you to a fight would you drop your gloves? And if not, you'd expect to get hit in the face?

[AC]

Suspended 2 games. 1 playoff game that means.

[northcrunk]

It mist be frustrating playing a team that makes a dirty play and wont fight for it............hmmmmm I wonder what team that reminds me of?

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

It makes no difference whether you see the punch coming or not. If I walk up to you on the street, shake your hand and then proceed to punch you in the face, and although you saw it coming does that not count as a sucker punch?

If Rozsival doesn't want to fight and his hands are down then he can't be punched in the face and shouldn't be expected to be punched in the face. When your gloves are off is the only time you should be expected to be punched in the face.

Seeing the punch coming or not is the pivotal fact that determines whether or not it is a sucker punch or not. Not being ready to fight while watching Ritchie telegraph the punch from the tenth row doesn't make it a sucker punch. It just makes you stupid for not trying to defend yourself after a player seeks retribution for a dirty play on a teammate. Answering the bell in the NHL is common on clean, hard hits let alone dirty plays.

It was dirty. Ritchie jumped him. It wasn't a sucker punch. If you chose to believe it was then you haven't read or understood the dictionary definitions of sucker punch.

[northcrunk]

Technically Reaper is correct. In the terms the NHL uses they call it a sucker punch but if you see a guy dropping his gloves and cocking his arm to punch you then technically it is not a sucker punch. Still a dirty *uck play though.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Well if the NHL whose league is the one Ritchie plays in and is going to suspended in calls it a sucker punch then really that's all that matters.

Okay, remember that the NHL is always right and that you can't point out where they're wrong.

https://www.nhl.com/news/nick-ritchi...?tid=277549076

Crazy that it is referred to as roughing and not sucker punching, eh? They must be wrong, too.

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

If Gaudreau slashes someone and a bigger player comes up and punches him in the face then Gaudreau should have expected it?

Moving the goalposts, eh? If Gaudreau slashed someone so hard that they landed face first on the ice then yes, he should expect someone's fist in his face shortly thereafter.

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Ritchie does not get to fight someone or punch someone because he's mad at Perry being cross checked. He can do what 99.9% of what other players do and challenge him to a fight but if he declined he can't just say"well I'm mad and charging towards you so you better expect a punch to the jaw".

I'm not arguing that he does get to fight him over it. I am saying that it isn't unexpected.

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

He doesn't have to fight and him doing what you want for it to be considered fair would be him accepting a fight.

If a much bigger guy was challenging you to a fight would you drop your gloves? And if not, you'd expect to get hit in the face?

Try reading before posting. I'm not arguing that Ritchie did the right thing. I'm not even arguing that it was fair or unsuspendable. He jumped him; he did not sucker punch him.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Technically Reaper is correct. In the terms the NHL uses they call it a sucker punch but if you see a guy dropping his gloves and cocking his arm to punch you then technically it is not a sucker punch. Still a dirty *uck play though.

Technically is the best kind of correct.