Please read, sign, and share this petition

[dino7c]

Calgary needs new buildings....need more than one option though

One thing though is the land, City is obligated to clean up that land...its ridiculous that it has been left like that

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

I think most of CP falls into the "how much" category

Well, for me it falls more into how much we get back... the city could pay for it in it's entirety for all I care, but I want a reciprocal amount of direct revenue back in return (based on independent projections).

[JiriHrdina]

The issue is far too complicated to boil down to a petition like this.
Plus online petitions are lame.
I want to start an online petition to ban online petitions.
I think that would do very well.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Calgary needs new buildings....need more than one option though

One thing though is the land, City is obligated to clean up that land...its ridiculous that it has been left like that

I will say even if CalgaryNEXT never sees the light of day I hope that there's continued pressure on the city to clean up the mess. Kind of embarrassing that a city of this stature to have a large plot of contaminated land next to downtown. This is something I would expect more from a city that's run down and on the decline not a relatively young and vibrant city like Calgary.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That is incorrect as that's an "arena" poll not a CalgaryNEXT poll. The fieldhouse is not involved in the thread poll. I even stated in it that I would go up to $500 only for CalgaryNEXT and not for just the arena. It wasn't as well thought out a poll as it could have been (sorry Jiri).

Considering that the cities contribution to Calgary next would be 900 million plus 150-200 million more in infrastructure not essential to the arena not even you support CalgaryNext as currently proposed.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I will say even if CalgaryNEXT never sees the light of day I hope that there's continued pressure on the city to clean up the mess. Kind of embarrassing that a city of this stature to have a large plot of contaminated land next to downtown. This is something I would expect more from a city that's run down and on the decline not a relatively young and vibrant city like Calgary.

So you're saying you're cool with tax increases to pay to clean it up? Or what would you do to find the money for it?

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

So you're saying you're cool with tax increases to pay to clean it up? Or what would you do to find the money for it?

Hit up the reserve funds.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

So you're saying you're cool with tax increases to pay to clean it up? Or what would you do to find the money for it?

I think that depends on what the plan is.
Which is really one of the things I've been saying too. If CalgaryNext isn't the plan for the West Village what is it?
The city seems content to continue to kick that can down the road repeatedly or point fingers elsewhere.
And I think that's just not good enough.
I'd like the city to show some leadership on this specific issue (West Village).

[Flacker]

Originally Posted by SNOTTY

After watching the Flames arena and Stamps stadium talks go nowhere with the city over the past 2 years - I thought a petition of support was in order.

Please read, sign, and share this with as many people as possible.

I started it not even 24 hours ago and already have over 100 signatures.

change.org/p/arena

Thanks

Sean

Update section on the page says the petition was started a week ago.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

So you're saying you're cool with tax increases to pay to clean it up? Or what would you do to find the money for it?

Absolutely I am fine with a tax increase as long as the city provided a proper plan and timetable for the cleanup.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Absolutely I am fine with a tax increase as long as the city provided a proper plan and timetable for the cleanup.

So, logically, doesn't it make way more sense for the city to sell that land to the highest bidder once it's cleaned up? Gifting it to the Flames is more or less the single worst thing they could with it. Selling it to developers is much better fiscal management.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

If CalgaryNext isn't the plan for the West Village what is it?

http://www.calgary.ca/PDA/pd/Documen...illage-arp.pdf

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I think that depends on what the plan is.
Which is really one of the things I've been saying too. If CalgaryNext isn't the plan for the West Village what is it?
The city seems content to continue to kick that can down the road repeatedly or point fingers elsewhere.
And I think that's just not good enough.
I'd like the city to show some leadership on this specific issue (West Village).

http://www.calgary.ca/PDA/pd/Documen...illage-arp.pdf

edit: You win again, Table5

[ynwa03]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Has anyone transcribed King's propaganda session on 960 earlier this week? I honestly don't see how anyone could support his efforts after hearing that interview. It was Trumpian.

EDIT:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/960/the-big-...ot-dead-limbo/

30 minutes or so. Really encourage everyone to listen. You're allowed to be a fan of this team very against King's attempt to guilt the city into a bad deal.

This is absolutely bang on.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

So, logically, doesn't it make way more sense for the city to sell that land to the highest bidder once it's cleaned up? Gifting it to the Flames is more or less the single worst thing they could with it. Selling it to developers is much better fiscal management.

Does it make sense to build more condos on the west side when the east village isn't complete? The city can't escape the fact that it's major stadium and arena venues are the worst of all major cities in the country and like it or not they are important venues.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

http://www.calgary.ca/PDA/pd/Documen...illage-arp.pdf

edit: You win again, Table5

There are no winners or losers here. Just opinions.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Has anyone transcribed King's propaganda session on 960 earlier this week? I honestly don't see how anyone could support his efforts after hearing that interview. It was Trumpian.

EDIT:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/960/the-big-...ot-dead-limbo/

30 minutes or so. Really encourage everyone to listen. You're allowed to be a fan of this team very against King's attempt to guilt the city into a bad deal.

I always had a sneaking suspicion I didn't like Ken King.

Now, after those 30 mins, I know I don't like him.

[RM14]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Does it make sense to build more condos on the west side when the east village isn't complete? The city can't escape the fact that it's major stadium and arena venues are the worst of all major cities in the country and like it or not they are important venues.

How long did East Village take to plan and actually get the infrastructure to place that made it attractive to developers. Decades? By the time 1st towers go into West Village, the East Village will be long complete.

However, there are many areas DT that are able to take new development; West End, Beltine and 10th ave, Vic Park; Eau Claire. I think West Village planning, infrastructure changes, and clean-up should move ahead now for 10-15 years from now.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Torture

Economists are pretty unanimous that arenas/stadiums don't spur economic growth. Just a quick google...
http://news.stanford.edu/2015/07/30/...s-noll-073015/
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...adiums/260900/
http://www.citylab.com/politics/2015...doggle/403666/
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/s...orth-the-cost/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffrey...axpayers-lose/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/use-of-...iny-1425856677
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcwJt4bcnXs

Not agreeing or disagreeing here, but Garth Brooks shows in Edmonton did spur economic boost according to the Oilers.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3348821/ga...ntons-economy/

Simply by having events here, it spurs the economy. The Flames being here, and on game nights, it spurs economic activity.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Does it make sense to build more condos on the west side when the east village isn't complete? The city can't escape the fact that it's major stadium and arena venues are the worst of all major cities in the country and like it or not they are important venues.

And there will be a new arena in the East Village, so don't worry, be patient, it'll happen. But CalgaryNEXT is just the Edmonton of large scale projects, absolutely no good. It's so dead it's worth wondering if it was ever alive to begin with.