NHL to not make teams protected player lists public for upcoming expansion draft

[TSXCman]

Originally Posted by Nsd1

One unhappy person:

Down Goes Brown‏Verified account
@DownGoesBrown
Secret expansion lists. Per club policy, terms were not disclosed. Loser-point inflated records. Our fans don't want salary cap info.

Down Goes Brown‏Verified account @DownGoesBrown 1h1 hour ago
Gosh, it's almost as if GMs worry about shielding themselves from criticism and scrutiny far more than what's actually best for the league.

Down Goes Brown‏Verified account @DownGoesBrown 1h1 hour ago
It doesn't have to be this way. A league with real leadership wouldn't have this problem. But… well, here we are.

I like DGB and all, but I am still baffled that this is one of the prime formats to read news in... friggin twitter is ridiculous

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by TSXCman

I like DGB and all, but I am still baffled that this is one of the prime formats to read news in... friggin twitter is ridiculous

Why? Twitter is immediate news, immediate reaction. Not sure why that's a bad thing.

Twitter can be a horribly ugly place but in terms of getting information out right away, it's one of the best tools.

[Anduril]

https://twitter.com/mikecommito/stat...67269265084422

"It wasn't that long ago the NHL had an expansion draft for one team. The protected lists from the other 26 teams were known in advance"

[Calgary4LIfe]

Boo as a fan, but understandable.

I am sure Treliving doesn't want Brouwer to know he was left exposed, and that Vegas wasn't interested in taking him either, for instance (if things played out that way). It would probably damage the relationship with Brouwer somewhat, and might make him lose some confidence.

Sucks as a fan though! grumble grumble

[FireGilbert]

Originally Posted by Anduril

https://twitter.com/mikecommito/stat...67269265084422

"It wasn't that long ago the NHL had an expansion draft for one team. The protected lists from the other 26 teams were known in advance"

Wow, how bad were the Flames back then. Belak, Hulse, Corbet, Domenichelli, Nazarov and Wilm on the protected list haha.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

Wow, how bad were the Flames back then. Belak, Hulse, Corbet, Domenichelli, Nazarov and Wilm on the protected list haha.

The so called young guns era was dark times, friend

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

Wow, how bad were the Flames back then. Belak, Hulse, Corbet, Domenichelli, Nazarov and Wilm on the protected list haha.

Only shame...

Only shame.

[Itse]

Boo this decision. I was looking forward to someone building a webtool for drafting your own team.

[gunnner]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

The so called young guns era was dark times, friend

Step one, replace Tre with Al Coates. Step 2 make Risebrough VP of hockey ops. Step 3 Join the Jonestown group in search of a better life

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Boo as a fan, but understandable.

I am sure Treliving doesn't want Brouwer to know he was left exposed, and that Vegas wasn't interested in taking him either, for instance (if things played out that way). It would probably damage the relationship with Brouwer somewhat, and might make him lose some confidence.

Sucks as a fan though! grumble grumble

I don't know that it's the individual relationships so much - I believe they'd probably tell Brouwer privately, so he wouldn't be surprised if he gets taken. I think it's more the reputation in the league - Brouwer was their big UFA signing and exposing him might make Calgary less attractive to UFAs in the future.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

As a fan, I want to know the list. From the GMs perspective I get why they don't want it to be public. Same reason they generally don't like trades that didn't go through to leak out. There is nothing to be gained from relationship perspective between the team and players for the players to know if the team was prepared to lose them and not protect them vs. other players.

Agreed with the thoughts that this is a big money business, so maybe that comes with the territory, and as a fan, I'd like to know, but I totally get why the GMs would at least push for non public lists. I know I would if I was a GM.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't know that it's the individual relationships so much - I believe they'd probably tell Brouwer privately, so he wouldn't be surprised if he gets taken. I think it's more the reputation in the league - Brouwer was their big UFA signing and exposing him might make Calgary less attractive to UFAs in the future.

That's an interesting point. At first after I read your post, my immediate thought was, of course, any good GM would at least let his player know they might be selected and could be moving................so then I wondered why hide the list, as I doubt players wouldn't find out after talking to each other, so not sure it would protect the future UFA attractiveness as you pointed out.

But then I thought, I doubt GMs tell the players (most of the time) if they'd be willing to trade them, that's just part of NHL life, and you could be moved at anytime, is this any different? Which then led me back to, that's why they want the list secret.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

That's an interesting point. At first after I read your post, my immediate thought was, of course, any good GM would at least let his player know they might be selected and could be moving................so then I wondered why hide the list, as I doubt players wouldn't find out after talking to each other, so not sure it would protect the future UFA attractiveness as you pointed out.

But then I thought, I doubt GMs tell the players (most of the time) if they'd be willing to trade them, that's just part of NHL life, and you could be moved at anytime, is this any different? Which then led me back to, that's why they want the list secret.

Perhaps. I guess they might at least tell, say Brouwer and Lazar and the rest that they might be on the list, but things aren't set. It's tricky for sure. Brouwer is a family man who chose to sign a long term deal here. It's NHL life but I imagine its harder at that point in your career (and then easier after you become a guy like Iginla or Jagr who just looks for a place to play).

[jlh2640]

I get why they would but I do not like it

[EldrickOnIce]

Can also look for the possibility of exposing someone like Brouwer, for example, with a deal in place for LV to pick someone else.
These kind of deals have happened a lot in past expansion drafts.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Can also look for the possibility of exposing someone like Brouwer, for example, with a deal in place for LV to pick someone else.
These kind of deals have happened a lot in past expansion drafts.

I consider that a high possibility. Bouma would be a decent pickup for LV, but a bit costly. There's a few guys being squeezed out, like Spoon. A deal to leave Brouwer (who I think the Flames still like) or Lazar and take one of those types makes some sense. Then you can tell Brouwer "look, we had to expose you due to numbers, but we think so highly of you we did this to keep you".

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FireGilbert

Wow, how bad were the Flames back then. Belak, Hulse, Corbet, Domenichelli, Nazarov and Wilm on the protected list haha.

Some other surprisingly bad teams. Look at the lists for the Ducks, Pens, Blues and Sharks.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Can also look for the possibility of exposing someone like Brouwer, for example, with a deal in place for LV to pick someone else.
These kind of deals have happened a lot in past expansion drafts.

Exactly. And this is another reason why the GMs don't want the lists to be made public.

They can only protect 10 skaters, and many teams will have more than 10 skaters that they would like to protect. So they make deals with Vegas.

Let's say the Flames make a deal with Vegas, giving them a 3rd or something (Whatever it takes) to not take Brouwer.

Effectively, the Flames have protected Brouwer (because they want to keep him).

But if the list is made public and he isn't on it, the optics are that he wasn't protected when in fact he effectively was.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Exactly. And this is another reason why the GMs don't want the lists to be made public.

They can only protect 10 skaters, and many teams will have more than 10 skaters that they would like to protect. So they make deals with Vegas.

Let's say the Flames make a deal with Vegas, giving them a 3rd or something (Whatever it takes) to not take Brouwer.

Effectively, the Flames have protected Brouwer (because they want to keep him).

But if the list is made public and he isn't on it, the optics are that he wasn't protected when in fact he effectively was.

Agreed, however, any deal will be made public though, just like any other trade........I assume? Right now the NHL publicly reports and trade when it's official, so in your example, if the Flames choose to trade a 3rd for Protecting Brouwer, that deal is going to hit the wire, because the NHL is going to publicly announce the Flames just gave up their 3rd.

Now maybe what's being pushed for is that the protected player isn't announced in those deals, but that would be interesting.

Which all of this has now just made me think..............how relevant is the player named in the trade from a Flames perspective in the deal. The name of the player, is kind of irrelevant, because essentially what the Flames are trading for is an "extra" list spot, not really protecting a specifica player. So for example, let's say Brouwer would be the odd man out but they still want to protect him, so they want to make a trade with Vegas. Doesn't really matter who they say to Vegas they can't pick, as long as it's one of the people the Flames want to protect. Vegas, we'll trade you a 3rd not to take Giordano...........Vegas isn't going to go, sweet, free draft pick we'd assumed you were going to protect him anyway. It becomes, you want a 3rd to protect another player, but there will still be some ambiguity as to who else will be on the list for the Flames. I'm sure most of you realized this already, but it's literally the first time its dawning on me.

[sureLoss]

^ all the protection trades will be made public according to LeBrun..
https://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun/...21004871749633

They could however technically hide the specific details by using the term "future considerations"

For example Flames trade Poirier and a 4th to the Knights for future considerations.
The future considerations would be not selecting Brouwer in the expansion draft.