03-08-2017, 01:10 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by CSharp
Seattle, Hamilton, Quebec City - those will be huge markets. WTF's the NHL going into the desert for when ice is hard to come by. All of the NHL marketing staff should've been fired long ago. Cripes, it's a no brainer. I can see Las Vegas folding and move somewhere within 5 -10 years.
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I'm not sold on Seattle. There's just not that much interest. Quebec has interest but the "they already lost a team" stigma. Hamilton (or any of the south Ontario centres) would be great, but the Leafs have always gotten in the way.
I don't think local climate has much to do with it though.
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03-08-2017, 01:12 PM
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#62
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
One can argue that Bettman can make the owners (and players) more money with a team in Quebec than Phoenix.
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Sure. But first he had to keep all 30 teams locked down in place until the suckers in Vegas put up their $500 million for an expansion team. The owners wanted that money, and a franchise relocation would have queered the pitch.
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03-08-2017, 01:16 PM
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#63
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
I'm not sold on Seattle. There's just not that much interest. Quebec has interest but the "they already lost a team" stigma. Hamilton (or any of the south Ontario centres) would be great, but the Leafs have always gotten in the way.
I don't think local climate has much to do with it though.
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True, but so did Winnipeg...
i just remember how great those Nordique vs Canadiens games were...
Don't think it will happen due to TV market reasons, but in terms of hockey reasons, i do hope QC gets a team again...
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03-08-2017, 01:26 PM
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#64
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary
True, but so did Winnipeg...
i just remember how great those Nordique vs Canadiens games were...
Don't think it will happen due to TV market reasons, but in terms of hockey reasons, i do hope QC gets a team again...
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Sooooo much better than any hockey game ever played by any iteration of the Winnipeg Jets.
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03-08-2017, 01:27 PM
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#65
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Originally Posted by Conroy4Mayor
Keep up the good work Gary; this will be your legacy.
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Well, no, more likely the three lockouts.
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03-08-2017, 01:40 PM
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#66
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Nov 2008
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Wouldn't surprise me to see a relocation and a new franchise. Get two or three cities bidding and highest bidder gets the new franchise and runner up gets the coyotes.
Also Kansas City has a new rink and has been discussing getting a franchise.
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03-08-2017, 01:44 PM
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#67
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From what I hear, the Kansas City arena has been making so much profit from concerts and trade shows, they're reluctant to give up 40-odd nights a year to a hockey team that will probably do no more than break even.
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03-08-2017, 01:47 PM
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#68
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
California teams for the most part has been a huge success and more Americans are playing hockey than ever before. I know it's a Canadian past time to bash US expansion but there's been more hits than misses and you can argue the US is right up there with Canada now as a hockey super power which is something you could never say 20 years ago. No sport ever hits a home run with al their expansion teams but the NHL has done a pretty good job overall.
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Okay.
My post wasn't literal. I was just trying to humorously suggest they're going to move to Portland.
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03-08-2017, 01:50 PM
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#69
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Yeah, I think we're all disappointed that TSN lost the rights, and Rogers is getting much of what it deserves too. But I can't fault the league for going for the deal. It's not often someone backs a dump truck of money into your lap.
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I do find it funny that people blame Bettman for that deal.
Sorry, if there is any blame to go around it belongs squarely on SportsNet.
I dont think anyone else was offering anywhere close to that kind of money.
Thats sort of how these things work, you take the money from the person who offers you the most.
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03-08-2017, 01:53 PM
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#70
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Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Cape Breton Island
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Sooooo much better than any hockey game ever played by any iteration of the Winnipeg Jets.
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I dunno man, the 80's playoff games between the Jets and Flames had some real barn burners.
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03-08-2017, 04:56 PM
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#71
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Well, no, more likely the three lockouts.
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And the salary cap that he got, NHL revenues increasing by 600% and climbing, major TV deals on both sides of the border...
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03-08-2017, 04:56 PM
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#72
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: California
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Well, no, more likely the three lockouts.
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You mean 4, the next one just hasn't happened yet. There will be no labour peace when they know the fans comeback everytime and they can extract a percent or two out of the players each time because their careers are short.
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03-08-2017, 05:00 PM
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#73
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by GGG
You mean 4, the next one just hasn't happened yet. There will be no labour peace when they know the fans comeback everytime and they can extract a percent or two out of the players each time because their careers are short.
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Yeah, because the guy who cancelled the World Series in 1994 and very nearly did it again in 2001 has nothing to do with it. 
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03-08-2017, 06:25 PM
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#74
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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As far as the Nordiques go maybe many don't remember but they rarely sold out averaging about 14,500 fans a game over their time. I think they would get better attendance than Phoenix but I'm not sure they would be a runaway success or anything and it's not a television market that is going to help the NHL in any way. I also don't know if it's a city NHL players would be keen on playing in. They would probably have a tougher time attraction free agents than Winnipeg.
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03-08-2017, 07:08 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Clinching Party
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Originally Posted by kunkstyle
Honest question, do you think it's a priority for any organization? After the television deal is signed, what benefit does any team see to an above-par broadcast?
It seems to me as similar as an equivalent to a head office in Calgary caring about how green their front lawn is.
Nice, to be sure, but does nothing to the bottom line.
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It should be a priority and I think it does mean something to the bottom line.
I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of how the sports broadcasting business works, but I know when I watch the Blue Jays game the play-by-play guy doesn't call a strike before the pitcher lets go of the ball.
That happens pretty much every night on Sportsnet Flames broadcasts (you know what I mean).
The NHL has had me forever and wouldn't care about my gripes because I'd watch even if they were to go back to black and white, but to get new fans, a broadcast that looks like amateur hour doesn't help.
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03-08-2017, 08:23 PM
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#76
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
As far as the Nordiques go maybe many don't remember but they rarely sold out averaging about 14,500 fans a game over their time. I think they would get better attendance than Phoenix but I'm not sure they would be a runaway success or anything and it's not a television market that is going to help the NHL in any way. I also don't know if it's a city NHL players would be keen on playing in. They would probably have a tougher time attraction free agents than Winnipeg.
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True... the proverbial "market forces" caused them to move in the first place...
that said, the salary cap helps... but they would definitely need a deep pocketed owner like Quebecor to make a long term commitment... The TV market isn't great, but I can't imagine Winnipeg's TV market being any better...
Probably a pipe dream for expansion, but i could see a floundering franchise being moved there...
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03-08-2017, 08:26 PM
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Keep in mind, the Hurricanes are pretty much a done deal to Quebec this summer, so they're likely not a destination for the Coyotes.
Works better for the NHL anyways, as they'd rather move an east team to an east location and then the coyotes to a west destination a little later down the road.
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03-08-2017, 08:48 PM
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#78
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the studio
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Would love a team in Seattle.. just makes sense from a rivalry perspective for the Nucks. We might switch divisions if Seattle got a team no??
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03-08-2017, 08:52 PM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary
True... the proverbial "market forces" caused them to move in the first place...
that said, the salary cap helps... but they would definitely need a deep pocketed owner like Quebecor to make a long term commitment... The TV market isn't great, but I can't imagine Winnipeg's TV market being any better...
Probably a pipe dream for expansion, but i could see a floundering franchise being moved there...
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North American TV markets, p. 14:
http://www.tvb.ca/page_files/pdf/inf...e/tvbasics.pdf
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03-08-2017, 09:04 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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If Arizona moved to Seattle, there wouldn't need to be any re-alignment since the Coyotes are already in the Pacific Division. The Pacific is already going to be an 8-team Division next year with the addition of Vegas.
If Seattle was granted an expansion team and Arizona either didn't move or moved west to somewhere like Portland, then something would have to give with the Divisional alignment.
With the Chargers moving to LA, San Diego will only have the Padres and the Gulls. The Gulls have the third-highest attendance in the AHL this season. I wonder if they'd considered building a new arena for the NHL?
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