It still hurts.. and perhaps even more so now... I still remember saying to my brother in-law when they dropped the puck with no review.. " the Flames just lost the Stanley Cup".. even though there was still OT and game 7, it just felt like there was no chance the league was letting it happen.
I would love to get Andy Van Helmond's take on what happened that day after Campbell's comments seein as though AVH retired as director of officiating right after that series.
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Nobody on the ice thought that puck was in. Not one player pointed to the officials. Nobody on the bench. You can invent conspiracy theories about "hurry up faceoffs" all you like, nobody had a clue until two or three minutes later when ABC found that replay. In arena though? Nobody knew until we got home and saw the highlights.
It sucks, because that puck was in, but no replay was asked for so there was no reason for the officials to check. It is just disappointing. What I am still bitter about in that series was Kerry Fraser taking only Commodore to the box when he was scrumming it up with a Lightning player after a whistle when Fraser knew we were already getting a penalty. He made a conscious decision to put us down 5 on 3 instead of 5 on 4, and it directly lost us a game.
THAT is the play I am still bitter about from that series. And that was a moment that everyone in arena knew right away we got screwed. It was also why Fraser never returned to Calgary to officiate a game until some time in 2007.
I think even if it went to replay it would be deemed inconclusive. Similar to Bennetts non goal in the 2015 series vs Anaheim.
Unless you have Hawkeye, you can't know for sure.
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That's what I mean. At that stoppage in play, they should have gone through the proper review process before dropping the puck.
Nobody asked for a review. Not even Gelinas, who was the only Flame that would have had a good view. It wasn't until a few minutes later when somebody in ABC's production truck went back and saw that angle that anyone even contemplated that was anything but a routine pad save.
What? Hull scored in Game 6. The Stars were up 3-2 in the series. Even if the goal doesn't count, and assuming everything is equal, the Stars still have a 50% chance to win it that game, and a 50% chance to win it if they failed to do so in Game 6. 25% chance the Sabres win the Cup...
The Flames had a better than 25% chance of winning the Cup if Gelina's counted, that's for sure.
Just having some fun as a fan of a fellow team that's been screwed over in dramatic and controversial fashion
At least with Calgary's there is a debate, though. Hull's shouldn't have counted, full stop.
Nobody asked for a review. Not even Gelinas, who was the only Flame that would have had a good view. It wasn't until a few minutes later when somebody in ABC's production truck went back and saw that angle that anyone even contemplated that was anything but a routine pad save.
Which is what I have a problem with. The NHL should have made sure it was properly reviewed at the stoppage in play that immediately followed.
Which is what I have a problem with. The NHL should have made sure it was properly reviewed at the stoppage in play that immediately followed.
That's the point though. There was no indication that there was anything to review. It appeared to be just a routine pad save and nobody noticed that Khabibulin was too deep in his crease. If the Flames didn't think there was a cause to review and the referees didn't think there was a cause to review, then there was never going to be a review. In hindsight, yes, we all wish that someone had realized there was a need. But in the moment, I don't fault anyone for it.
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There was no indication that there was anything to review. If the Flames didn't think there was a cause to review and the referees didn't think there was a cause to review, then there was never going to be a review.
There was plenty indication that it was a reviewable play. The broadcasters only needed 1 replay to determine it required reviewing. How the league can be sitting in a room full of monitors, and not make a call to the arena to say "we have to review that play at the next whistle" is completely incompetent. That is what I have a problem with.
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In hindsight, yes, we all wish that someone had realized there was a need.
So what are we arguing about then? That is essentially what I said in my original post: "It just bugs the hell out of me though that they didn't do a proper review"
It sounds like you agree - you wish there would have been a review.
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We all wish there was a review. What I disagree on is the argument that the league erred in not reviewing. The policies of 2004 were not what they are today, and under the policies of 2004, there was no obvious need to do so. It's just bad fortune.
We all wish there was a review. What I disagree on is the argument that the league erred in not reviewing. The policies of 2004 were not what they are today, and under the policies of 2004, there was no obvious need to do so. It's just bad fortune.
The league has since lied though and said that they did, in fact, review that play, which we know is BS because the puck was dropped 58 seconds afterward. The league has not once shown that it can review a goal and make a determination, let alone a Stanley Cup winning goal, in only 58 seconds from the moment that the play occured.
I think you're arguing that the league didn't have the power to step in and make the call, back in 2004. Maybe that's correct... I really don't know what the rule was. Gelinas and Sutter seemed to believe that they had the power though:
http://www.espn.com/nhl/playoffs2004...ory?id=1816629 But even though the puck appeared to cross the line late in the
third period of Game 6 against the Tampa Bay Lightning on Saturday,
it wasn't ruled a goal by on-ice officials or those watching from
above.
"They've got so many cameras, I imagine they would've phoned down if it went in," said Gelinas, who added that he hadn't seen a replay.
....
A replay seem to show that Khabibulin stopped the puck after it had crossed the goal line. The puck was dropped after the next
stoppage of play without any consultation with officials from
above.
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"I looked at it and that's got to be a conclusive play,"
Sutter said. "I looked at it from two different angles. Unless
they have a different one, you can't say that it's a goal.
"It's so close, but the puck is like this. You can't argue that point. I am sure they did look at it."
....
Gelinas didn't even want to consider that a potential
Cup-winning goal was missed.
"That would be pretty tough," he said. "Just a few minutes
left in the period. If that's the case, shame on them for not
phoning down."
The league just completely botched that play. I wish people would have been fired over it, now that I'm mad again!
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worst game I've ever attended, the Marty st.louis goal in OT was like Time stood still for a moment!
