Elliot Friedman believes Treliving may not be back next season

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Racki

Correct. I listened on the way into work. Friedman didn't sound wishy washy at all. He knew how his comments would be perceived and he didn't try and hedge. It sounded like he had some pretty good intel that Brad would be gone and that Brad wasn't happy. He also made it clear that the Flames are unique in how they have handled this situation.

I would agree. I was listening, and Friedman knew what he was saying, given the venue and the audience.
As to the comment about the clown show moving south, we had the clown show here already with Feaster/Weisbrod. Given the recurrence, the problem may be higher than GM level, in which case we are doomed...

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I don't disagree with you but that eventually falls back on the GM that brought him in.

Completely unfair to lay that on him IMO. The GM's job is to play the game on paper. After that, it's the human being who was brought in to play the game on the ice.

Treliving went out and literally got the league leader in save %. If Treliving went out and got the league leader in goal scoring (Ovechkin) for cheap and the player lays an egg, is that on the GM? Sure he's the one who signed off on the trade. But BT isn't the one on the ice. The second the ink is dry on paper and it's time to drop the puck, it's 100% on the player. It's not like Elliott was some unknown commodity. It was a worthwhile gamble, and you trade a 2nd & 3rd round pick for the league leader in save % (with a huge sample size) every single day of the week.

Brodie looked like a top 15 D last season with a stellar contract. Now he looks like an overpaid player with close to the worst +/- in the league. Gaudreau was seen as one of the best wingers in the entire league by literally everyone in the hockey world. A potential dark horse Art Ross contender. Gets signed to a very cap friendly deal, and now he looks like a kid lost in the woods. In no way is it fair to lay those players issues (among the other star players) at his feet.

GM's get way to much flack for moves that don't work out. Sure he's the guy steering the boat. But these are human beings with control over their own actions/lives that are being brought on board the ship and it's up to them to perform their duties.

The only way I would support BT leaving is if he wanted to leave on his own for personal reasons. Letting him go would be such a monumental mistake and would prove to the hockey world that the Flames organization and fans have zero patience for a rebuild. Unless Stan Bowman and his team are coming over, letting BT walk would be such a monumental mistake. We can all look forward to another decade of mediocrity. Treliving was brought in to see this thing through. Not even 5 years in, and he'd be out?

I'd be furious if that happened.

[Tron_fdc]

Regardless of everyone's interpretation, I'm VERY surprised Friedman said anything on it at all, especially after going off line after having some of his comments misinterpreted last year.

I think he's stating his opinion here, but what exactly is he using to form that opinion? Who really knows.

Did he do it on purpose? (conspiracy hat engaged)

[Buff]

This is disappointing news. The only way it isn't disappointing is if the Flames already have somebody in mind who will be popular around the league, make flawless trades, draft picks, signing and coaches hirings and be the GM for 25+ years where the Flames win the cup at least 3 times in the span.

Has Treliving been perfect? No. Has he been a disaster? Absolutely not. He has done a good job and in spite of missing the playoffs last year and the strong possibility that they'll miss the playoffs this year, he has helped to make the team better.

But... maybe we can speculate in the somewhat positive. King is leaving and being replaced by Burke and Treliving gets Burke's position and Maloney gets the GM job. Treliving isn't excited about it because he wanted more time as GM before getting the promotion.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I believe mods have to change the title and I'm fine with it if some of you really want it. I think if you actually listen to the interview most would agree that Elliot is letting the cat out of the bag today. Even the 960 guys were giddy over their big morning of news.

No they weren't.

[Robbob]

I don't see the interview posted yet. Is it not up or am I looking in the wrong area (I hate the Fan960 website).

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Not blaming Treliving here. I think this ownership group expectations are very high. Get them into the playoffs ice a competitive team or gtfo.

A GM's job should always be to build a Stanley Cup winner, not to "get them into the playoffs". Building teams to get into the playoffs is how we wasted half a decade.

I'm also not a fan of hearing that the Flames are "unique in how they do things". This is not an organization that has a good enough track record for that to be a positive.

[home_sweet_dome]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's actually less accountable than he ever has seeing he's been hands off the hockey operations since Burke was hired. Some of the King hate here is ridiculous.

And since then he's bungled up the arena project with CalgaryNEXT. It's amazing the owners have such little patience with the hockey ops positions like GM but then leave incompetent KK untouched for 16 years and counting.

[chummer]

Wouldn't mind seeing a poll, I'm betting he would get a 70% approval rating.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

I would love to know the whole story too. Eric Francis seemed confident Flames were going after Boudreau.

If you look at the timing when Boudreau was let go and then Hartley, it would seem plausible that Treliving thought he could get Boudreau at the time. Then Yeo was rumoured to be interviewed by the Flames and chose St. Louis. Then the Flames hired Gulutzan.

I have no doubt that there was a snafu there. I don't want to beat a dead horse, but personally I think this is the main reason why the on-ice results have been mediocre. I am not sure it is reason enough to let Treliving go, but it's a results oriented business.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yikes. I know that getting swept by the Oilers wouldn't go down well with ownership but I didn't think things were this dire within the organization.

Lol yep good call EE that's definitely the reason he's not coming back. You called it.

[Ashasx]

Treliving has mad some mistakes, but if the biggest one is an odd coaching hiring or signing Brouwer, they are minimal and can be corrected. He's smart enough to learn from his mistakes.

[Five-hole]

I am close to being done with hockey and the NHL in general, and this would be a big nail in the coffin. This team needs some consistency behind the bench and upstairs. More sideways (or worse) moves are the exact opposite of what the organization should be doing.

We're the equivalent of commitment-phobes. Complain that we can never hold down a good relationship then dump our SO because their feet are too big.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Lol yep good call EE that's definitely the reason he's not coming back. You called it.

You are a weird dude.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You are a weird dude.

Yeah, calling you out for patting yourself on the back for thinking the Flames getting swept by the Oilers has anything to do with Treliving coming back or not is really weird.

What an odd line of thinking.

[bubbsy]

that playoff run 2 years ago has devastated this franchise. It really paralyzed the management as far as taking a hard look and making some perhaps unpopular decisions (ie. shipping out guys like wideman, hudler, hiller, ramo, perhaps gio, etc). Instead of saving cap space and going into actual rebuilding year mantras, they went out and signed guys like frolik and brouwer on UFA day, which again in my mind says that the flames really felt that they were out of the true sense of the rebuilding years and were now ready to start bringing in some vets to round out the roster.

I'm really annoyed that this news about treliving's contract, or lack there of, is coming up now, just as the team looks like complete garbage, .and coming off perhaps one of the most frustrating losses at home i can remember. It feels like how garbage franchises just continue to cycle through rebuilds, as they continue to cycle thru management/coaching, and appear directionless.

[Erick Estrada]

Wasn't Burke brought in so qualified hockey people would be entrusted to run the team without guys like King and the owners meddling? Burke was a GM and knows that being a lame duck GM is not desirable (he complained about it I Vancouver) so I can't believe that he's behind any of this. Maybe there is smoke to the Burke leaving the organization and a total change in regime. I don't think this is good news for fans of the organization if it plays out this way.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Yeah, calling you out for patting yourself on the back for thinking the Flames getting swept by the Oilers has anything to do with Treliving coming back or not is really weird.

What an odd line of thinking.

What's odd is you taking my quote and spinning it into me believing that's the reason the Flames may let go of Treliving.

[EldrickOnIce]

If Treliving is on hot seat or on way out, it's not for bringing in Elliott. Its for paying up long term for guys like Brouwer, who have had no measurable impact, and perhaps for a coach who isn't getting the results ownership wants.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What's odd is you taking my quote and spinning it into me believing that's the reason the Flames may let go of Treliving.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

When is the last time the Flames have been swept in the season series against the Oilers? You have to think Gulutzan doesn't want his name attached to this distinction.

You posted it in the thread you started about Treliving possibly not coming back.

So you have no clue if the Oilers sweeping the Flames sits right with ownership.

You seem to have a weird obsession that the Flames being swept by the Oilers means a lot more than it does.