Naheed Nenshi vs Michelle Rempel

[Fuzz]

Total garbage by Rempel, but just about right for her level of politics. Nenshi likes to get his shots in, and in this case, good. Take a look at this:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...help-1.3929797

Now, given the handcuffing by what they are allowed to do, they are looking at setting up a rebate fund that should limit the increase to around 5% for small businesses. Had Rempel done something as simple as read the news or listen to the radio before shooting her mouth off, she might know this.

[calgaryblood]

Good job by Nenshi.

[Minnie]

She's a dipstick. Trying to be the new Danielle Smith in the loudmouth department.

[The Yen Man]

Rempel's an idiot, but man does Nenshi like to add in snarky remarks. You can tell a lot about a person by the way they act, and Nenshi is not a nice person. Guy must be a total tool to talk to, always trying to show you how much smarter he is than everyone else.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Total garbage by Rempel, but just about right for her level of politics. Nenshi likes to get his shots in, and in this case, good. Take a look at this:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...help-1.3929797

Now, given the handcuffing by what they are allowed to do, they are looking at setting up a rebate fund that should limit the increase to around 5% for small businesses. Had Rempel done something as simple as read the news or listen to the radio before shooting her mouth off, she might know this.

Its almost like the people who have been lamenting the fact that while Revenues are decreasing steadily all taxes are increasing might be on to something.

Maybe we need legislation that prohibits increased Government spending during times of decreased Government revenue?

"People have less, we need to take more!! Now is the time!!"

Rempel has a degree in Economics? I think it should be rescinded.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Locke

Which one?



Property taxes went up, according to most people about 15%. Now that isnt all Civic, theres a fairly hefty Provincial portion in there.



Now, did they go up or not?



How is that moving goalposts?

You're equating a change in individual rates to a change in the overall rate.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Reaper

You're equating a change in individual rates to a change in the overall rate.

I'm sorry? I'm not sure I'm following you.

Individual rates increased but the overall rate stayed the same?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Rempel's an idiot, but man does Nenshi like to add in snarky remarks. You can tell a lot about a person by the way they act, and Nenshi is not a nice person. Guy must be a total tool to talk to, always trying to show you how much smarter he is than everyone else.

I know a guy that went to high school with him. Said he was extremely bright and nobody is surprised he would go on to big things but also that he was pretty annoying as the typical "Me, me" raise your hands type of person. Didn't say anything about him not being a nice person. My sense is that he thrives on conflict and debate and hates to lose.

[TheAlpineOracle]

I think I let my dislike of Nenshi, get in my way. Having read more tweets from Rempel, she's an absolute moron and has no understanding of what it is she was talking about. TO turn around and use the "sexist" card is ridiculous, and basically continuing to use it over and over again even after he apologized. I don't even think he should have apologized.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm sorry? I'm not sure I'm following you.



Individual rates increased but the overall rate stayed the same?

I may have misread. I was of the impression that the overall rate was not changed due to the revenue neutral approach to municipal taxation.

[Ozy_Flame]

After 6 years going on 7, if the worst we have to complain about with him is snarkiness, I'd say we have a pretty good mayor and he's doing a fine job.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Once in a while I wish our Mayor would just know when to shut up, log out of twitter and avoid microphones. He's been fairly effective as a Mayor but the man loves the sound of his voice way to much and at times comes across as a gianormous tool.

Substitute mayor for president-elect and eliminate the effective part and it sounds like Trump.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Substitute mayor for president-elect and eliminate the effective part and it sounds like Trump.

Superficially, but comparing Nenshi's Twitter feed and Trump's Twitter feed would be like playing an episode of Frasier beside an episode of Jersey Shore.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Airdrie, Okotoks, and Cochrane are the definition of parasite communities. I didn't really follow stuff like that back then as I was pretty young. Why did we care if they have a melt-down back then? What are they going to do? Stop coming into work and play in Calgary? Let them cry. If they don't like it, they can always just move to Calgary and start paying into our tax base. That may require them living in a house that actually fits their income level though.

I would assume the discussion died very quickly because Airdire and Okotoks are provincial voters, and the province controls they key road artery into the City.

I don't think the City has the power to institute a road toll on provincial roads without provincial support. Tolling Crowchild and Macleoud at the City limits may simply shift traffic and hurt Calgaryians.

Also, we are a prairie City, surrounded by township and range roads, many of which connect to our infrastructure. I imagine it would be hard to toll them all and people would go to great lengths to avoid tolls, causing unintended traffic impacts to area's of the City not meant to handle the new traffic.

[btimbit]

Nenshi being a pompous ass? What else is new.

Rempel is no gem either though? Sexist? Jesus Christ grow up

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

I would assume the discussion died very quickly

Unfortunate.

[Kjesse]

I didn't know he apologized but Nenshi once again comes off as pompous and condescending. That's easily his biggest fault. He can be a bully and appears to like belittling people who oppose him.

Of course, Rempel should be able to handle it like an adult but instead she drops to the sandbox level with Nenshi and she comes off as a moron.

Say what you will about Nenshi, he's not a moron.

[You Need a Thneed]

Sometimes people deserve being spoken condescendingly to. Rempel deserved that one.

She should most definately, and almost certainly, does know better.

Of course it sucks that some businesses will see a large increase in taxes. With the current system, there is literally no way to have done anything different. Nenshi has been trying to change the system for 7 years, in part to be able avoid the problems of the property tax system that causes this kind of thing.

[Bownesian]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Nenshi being a pompous ass? What else is new.

Rempel is no gem either though

I follow both and was watching twitter when this all happened starting from Nenshi's 5-part thread that started with this tweet:
https://twitter.com/nenshi/status/818258774485962753

Which prompted Rempel's reply thread starting with her first personal tweet here:
https://twitter.com/MichelleRempel/s...72600698679296

Followed by a thread here:
https://twitter.com/MichelleRempel/s...77386634412032

Rempel initially said the cost increases are too high (and so something else needed to be done), Nenshi saying it's impossible to do anything else because of how cities are funded. As is his oeuvre, he was the first to get snarky and personal in his 5th tweet when he referred to "your government". This got her hackles up and fought back accusing him of being a Liberal and it went back and forth with neither of them looking great.

Things died down and then the following clip happened, which I do see as extremely patronizing in a way that can easily be seen as sexist. Predictably, this quote from Nenshi made things much, much worse (watch this if nothing else):
https://twitter.com/CBCScott/status/819196897105588224

Then the article came out derived from the clip above, she got mad and he sorry-not-sorry defended his comment here, basically saying he's an ass to everyone and things got to where we are today:
https://twitter.com/nenshi/status/819028812646137857

I quite admire Michelle Rempel. Her twitter takes are clever, pretty instant and are strong opinions and that gets her into some fights like this, but it's honest and I can live with that. She has no tolerance for (and goes over the top in response to) patronizing head-patting tones from male politicians.

(This kind of thing has come up in debates with former minister McCallum, and has special meaning in Alberta given how it was perceived in the Prentice/Notley debate)

As a man, it's not for me to say whether these tones are truly sexism or are just perceived as such by thin-skinned pseudo-feminists vying for attention (or whatever the criticism of the day is), but I personally don't talk to people this way and don't think others should either.

I like Nenshi as well because he's smart and refers to data and when he's not being an ass is pretty informative about his ideas. Unfortunately, his skin is super thin, and he gets personal all the time in his twitter exchanges, especially with right of center politicians. I doubt he's sexist or meant his clip above to be sexist, but he shouldn't talk to or about people that way. It's unprofessional and unbecoming for a mayor.

Basically, they're both hot-heads, but Nenshi is more at fault in my opinion.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Sometimes people deserve being spoken condescendingly to. Rempel deserved that one.

She should most definately, and almost certainly, does know better.

Of course it sucks that some businesses will see a large increase in taxes. With the current system, there is literally no way to have done anything different. Nenshi has been trying to change the system for 7 years, in part to be able avoid the problems of the property tax system that causes this kind of thing.

Couldnt agree more. Politics is a business of bludgeoning and sometimes you need to get kicked in the chops.

She earned this one.

Nenshi being a jerkface? Who cares? If your opponent is going to cry 'sexism' just for being wrong then your approach has to have more gravitas.

Really though? Whipping out the ol' 'Sexism' card for 'Math is hard?'