Over the course of the last 270 games the Flames have not had a special teams unit rank in the top half of the league. The PK has been down right terrible since 2013/2014 when they were merely flirting with the middle of the pack.
The fact the team is getting worse production from these groups now that they're supposed to have a better team is pretty shocking. Cameron is certainly not help the PP either but its not like this team had been putting up gaudy numbers before he came on board.
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Over the course of the last 270 games the Flames have not had a special teams unit rank in the top half of the league. The PK has been down right terrible since 2013/2014 when they were flirting with the middle of the pack.
The fact the team is getting worse production from these groups now that they're supposed to have a better team is pretty shocking.
So doesn't the fact they have been terrible over a long stretch (over two coaching regimes) suggest it has more to do with the players?
I guess it would be interesting to see from the stats guys, but are there really any PP and PK coaching gurus, who consistently turn around special teams?
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Over the course of the last 270 games the Flames have not had a special teams unit rank in the top half of the league. The PK has been down right terrible since 2013/2014 when they were merely flirting with the middle of the pack.
The fact the team is getting worse production from these groups now that they're supposed to have a better team is pretty shocking. Cameron is certainly not help the PP either but its not like this team had been putting up gaudy numbers before he came on board.
I'm confused with what you're saying. All I'm saying is the Flames have illogically gone from one of the most disciplined teams in the league to one of the least.
When things are going sideways for you and your team is all upside down, you have to go back to basics.
It's not pretty, but on the PP you gotta fly into the neutral zone with speed and blast it deep into the corner. The so called skill guys need to crash and bang. Finesse zone entries and setups have NOT BEEN WORKING. That's the only way (IMO, of course) to turn the PP around. Once you are digging in the corners, your man advantage should let you start a cycle and create a chance. It's not the prettiest PP, but I repeat, the finesse plays and trying the traditional powerplay setup has NOT BEEN WORKING.
On the penalty kill, they need to be more aggressive, but smart. The box should play tighter once the opposition has setup, but before the setup occurs, they need to pressure man to man. They are tentative on the PK.
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So doesn't the fact they have been terrible over a long stretch (over two coaching regimes) suggest it has more to do with the players?
I guess it would be interesting to see from the stats guys, but are there really any PP and PK coaching gurus, who consistently turn around special teams?
That's exactly what I'm saying. The team was/is rebuilding but they are seeing little growth, if not full on regression despite many of the players on the team becoming more experienced and better players since they were drafted.
Cameron might be a dud, but ultimately the players need to step up to the plate. Perhaps it's time to stick some of the top players to the bench and let others take a stab at turning special teams around.
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That's exactly what I'm saying. The team was/is rebuilding but they are seeing little growth, if not full on regression despite many of the players on the team becoming more experienced and better players since they were drafted.
Cameron might be a dud, but ultimately the players need to step up to the plate. Perhaps it's time to stick some of the top players to the bench and let others take a stab at turning special teams around.
Dress 5 D on the PP?
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How much ice time has Frolik got on the pp so far this year? I am not sure why what has been our best line all year isn't sent out as our first line for the pp?
This wreaks of last year when Hartley stuck with wideman game in game out until he got suspended and his hand was forced. Magically our pp began to look better as soon as dougie got that time instead. Gg has shown the ability to make changes relatively quickly i.e. Within 3 or 4 games this year, yet he has not made they necessary pp line corrections.
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That's insulting little ceasers, we're the compliments brand of frozen pizza. Garbage.
We're toasted Wonder Bread with a blob of tomato paste on it. It is a red flag and more than just a coincidence that all of top players are struggling with the "new system".
What do we do? Fire Treliving yesterday and hire a GM who is not stuck in the 90s and thinks that signing 30+ year olds to long-term deals is the solution.
LOL. Some of this is getting silly guys. 4 years is long term? Pretty much every GM will sign a 30 year old to a 4 year deal. That isn't being stuck in the 90's, that's typical of every GM in the league,
