We're more likely to trade picks for talent than the other way around. Regression now is a failure.
The rebuild is over? When you're drafting in the lottery, rolling raw rookies and PTO players into the top end of your lineup every season, you're most definitely still rebuilding.
It is flat out, not at all reasonable to expect the team to go from the cellar of the western conference last year to 8th. The last thing I would want this team to do is start panicking because fans are getting butt hurt that the rebuild process isn't as glamorous as it seemed. The Flames have two really promising forwards on every line. Bigger things are not far off at this point but there are enough gaping holes on the wing that you can't cover them all up.
I'll take this team now any day of the week over the last few Iggy years - a time when watching a game was actually comparable to taking a really bad dump. For 3 hours.
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How many playoff teams top two offensive players are under 24? they are certainly still a building team
Currently is cherry picking stats. Pens and Chicago won cups, Edmonton is making waves now, I'm sure there are other teams too throughout the last decade or so that have competed with their top scorers under 24.
No one is saying we're out of time here or that the window is closing but this is the first real year with the window open and the Flames are currently crapping the bed.
Saying we're rebuilding still is just trying to make yourself feel better. Were you expecting a bottom 10 finish? Were you expecting them to be sellers at the deadline? If the answer to either of those is "no" then they're not rebuilding.
5 years of "rebuilding" is starting to get into "extended rebuild" range and if they regress this year then it's not going to look great.
Currently is a cherry picked stats. Pens and Chicago won cups, Edmonton is making waves now, I'm sure there are other teams too.
No one is saying we're out of time here or that the window is closing but this is the first real year with the window open and the Flames are currently crapping the bed.
Saying we're rebuilding still is just trying to make yourself feel better. Were you expecting a bottom 10 finish? Were you expecting them to be sellers at the deadline? If the answer to either of those is "no" then they're not rebuilding.
Did they make a coaching change because in the GM's words Bob "took them as far as he could"? Yes.
Did they go big game hunting on July 1 for a UFA winger with playoff experience and tons of awesome leadership? Yes.
Did they clean out the awful goaltending from last season? Yes.
The rebuild is clearly almost over. I'm inclined to agree with you. This is a cap team, they can't be picking at 6 or higher again at the draft.
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Most importantly, any player they draft this year is likely 4 or 5 years away from being an impact player. Our team will be at the end of their cycle, Gio will be a 38 year old anchor by then, Brodie will be in his 30's and Gaudreau and Monahan will be at the end of their contracts.
If we finish poorly, chances are who ever we pick will be leading the next core of the Flames, not this core.
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This is loser talk. You have three highly paid defencemen, 2 highly paid forwards and a bonafide #1. With that kind of money already being paid to the core players, this should be a playoff team.
Anything else is an excuse and allows loser culture to take hold.
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Currently is cherry picking stats. Pens and Chicago won cups, Edmonton is making waves now, I'm sure there are other teams too throughout the last decade or so that have competed with their top scorers under 24.
No one is saying we're out of time here or that the window is closing but this is the first real year with the window open and the Flames are currently crapping the bed.
Saying we're rebuilding still is just trying to make yourself feel better. Were you expecting a bottom 10 finish? Were you expecting them to be sellers at the deadline? If the answer to either of those is "no" then they're not rebuilding.
5 years of "rebuilding" is starting to get into "extended rebuild" range and if they regress this year then it's not going to look great.
remains to be seen, besides their top two offensive players aren't under 24...They have McDavid who they won in a lottery during a 10 year rebuild
Currently is cherry picking stats. Pens and Chicago won cups, Edmonton is making waves now, I'm sure there are other teams too throughout the last decade or so that have competed with their top scorers under 24.
No one is saying we're out of time here or that the window is closing but this is the first real year with the window open and the Flames are currently crapping the bed.
Saying we're rebuilding still is just trying to make yourself feel better. Were you expecting a bottom 10 finish? Were you expecting them to be sellers at the deadline? If the answer to either of those is "no" then they're not rebuilding.
5 years of "rebuilding" is starting to get into "extended rebuild" range and if they regress this year then it's not going to look great.
Speaking of cherry picking...Those 3 teams all picked 1st overall and had multiple top 3 picks.
Crosby, Kane, McDavid, picks all won in lotteries
Yet the Flames who have never picked in the top 3 in franchise history are in the same boat
Honestly our rebuild shouldve been over. Our offense is looking ok but what was once our strenght on defense is looking bad. We need to rebuild our defense core.
Honestly our rebuild shouldve been over. Our offense is looking ok but what was once our strenght on defense is looking bad. We need to rebuild our defense core.
Treliving seemed pretty confident that this is a great D core, he re-signed Gio and Hamilton for 6 years, and Brodie for 5. It'll be interesting to see what he does with Wideman and Engelland as both are UFAs next season.
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Treliving seemed pretty confident that this is a great D core, he re-signed Gio and Hamilton for 6 years, and Brodie for 5. It'll be interesting to see what he does with Wideman and Engelland as both are UFAs next season.
If he can, he will ship Wideman out sometime during this year. For Engelland, they will shake his hand and thank him for the three years. I don't foresee any situation where either is back in a Flames uniform next year.
If he can, he will ship Wideman out sometime during this year. For Engelland, they will shake his hand and thank him for the three years. I don't foresee any situation where either is back in a Flames uniform next year.
If he can't ship Wideman, I'd like to see him sent down. He's a liability at this point and I'd rather see Kulak every game
If he can, he will ship Wideman out sometime during this year. For Engelland, they will shake his hand and thank him for the three years. I don't foresee any situation where either is back in a Flames uniform next year.
Engelland has actually been surprisingly good so far this season and I would not be averse to seeing him re-signed at a smaller price tag. If he wants more money, see ya.
Wideman....that ship has sailed. All aboard the next rocket to the sun.
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These numbers pretty much have to be middle to top-third of the pack or its a done deal. Without that the playoffs are a pipe dream.
*knock on wood*
I don't think those numbers will stay remotely near that. This team is a lot better than that. That GA/G I know for certain will be much better 20 games from now.
