Leo DiCaprio: Before the Flood Documentary

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

I haven't had a chance to view the film yet, but did he talk about coal mining in Wyoming.

Or Bolivia where they are mining their second largest tourist attraction for lithium http://dialogochino.net/bolivias-lit...-or-nightmare/

Our addiction to energy has some major pitfalls and can create some short term blemishes in the landscape around us. But, we fix our blemishes;

Mildred Lake (Syncrude) before and after.
http://www.earthmagazine.org/article...il-sands-mines

The three things that people should never watch being made are sausages, laws and energy production. All of them leave you with an upset stomach.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by TSXCman

This is a very important topic that is difficult to talk to a lot of people about. It's something we need to be educated in, discuss who can provide solutions, and discuss what some of them may be.

When I start talking about climate change with family or friends, immediately they start talking about Leo or Hillary being hypocrites... I don't give a **** about them, I'm talking about a global issue, not some media/attention ******. They topic should be about scientific findings, then having the right parties use these findings to study for further solutions.

You're right that we need to stop the BS and get to the solutions, but your blame is in the wrong place, imo. When you have world leaders like the United States pushing deceitful, political games at other countries so they can keep their economy going while those countries won't make much of an impact.......

That is the problem. People understanding that and taking exception is not the issue. A top contributor to global emissions pretending to take this seriously but not taking it seriously is a MAJOR road block to saving our planet. Honestly, we're ****ed if countries like Canada bend over backwards to appease other countries while the big contributors sit back and laugh at us.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Right message, but the wrong person to be sending it.

I really have no respect for Leo after the ignorant statements he made about Alberta. As a celebrity you have millions of people keying in on your every word and he's been vilifying the Canadian Oil Sands while ignoring the environmental impact of off-shore drilling. He speaks first and asks questions later which is not the type of person you want spreading bull#### to the rest of the world.

One lie can undo all the good things he's tried to accomplish. If people dismiss his stance on Chinooks being due to climate change, then they can dismiss his stance on anything related to climate change. Many climate change deniers see this and start using it as part of their argument about how climate change isn't real and the government is lieing to everyone.

[Thor]

I'm a guy who's tried over and over to get it in to people's head that we are going down a dangerous path, one I honestly think we are too late to stop much of the destruction coming and rely only on human innovation and science to help stave it off, of course greed might save us when those who discover anything that will combat or clean up our planet will become trillionares..

Having said that, what the hell is the obession with the oil sands. Canada represents what 3% of the worlds pollution? China is making new coal plants like crazy.

I'll watch this later, but as to people asking why these high profile celebs or politicians do this, its because the vast majority of you lazy bastards don't watch normal science documentaries otherwise, you know its true!

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Thor

Having said that, what the hell is the obsession with the oil sands. Canada represents what 3% of the worlds pollution? China is making new coal plants like crazy.

Because we just say "sorry" and skip off to work trying to make everyone happy.

China kills the protesters

(Also, we're #1 per capita....pssst, everyone have more kids)

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Thor

I'm a guy who's tried over and over to get it in to people's head that we are going down a dangerous path, one I honestly think we are too late to stop much of the destruction coming and rely only on human innovation and science to help stave it off, of course greed might save us when those who discover anything that will combat or clean up our planet will become trillionares..

Having said that, what the hell is the obession with the oil sands. Canada represents what 3% of the worlds pollution? China is making new coal plants like crazy.

I'll watch this later, but as to people asking why these high profile celebs or politicians do this, its because the vast majority of you lazy bastards don't watch normal science documentaries otherwise, you know its true!

It's because outside groups can successfully lobby and change public perception and policy towards institutions in our country.

Leo ain't in China cuz China don't care about Leo.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

It's because outside groups can successfully lobby and change public perception and policy towards institutions in our country.

Leo ain't in China cuz China don't care about Leo.

He literally went to China and spoke to Chinese people about the pollution problem there and what the government is doing to change it. It's in the movie.

He spends more time talking about China in that movie than he does Alberta. Maybe people should watch the movie?

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

He literally went to China and spoke to Chinese people about the pollution problem there and what the government is doing to change it. It's in the movie.

He spends more time talking about China in that movie than he does Alberta. Maybe people should watch the movie?

Nope. The odds of myself giving his film another hit are about the same as the Chinese govt paying attention and enacting policy changes because of political pressure from Hollywood.

[The Fonz]

Isn't the hate for what China is doing... a little misplaced?
Every appliance in our homes, and every electronic we own, is made in China. China's pollution is very much a product of the luxurious lifestyle's we all live.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Isn't the hate for what China is doing... a little misplaced?
Every appliance in our homes, and every electronic we own, is made in China. China's pollution is very much a product of the luxurious lifestyle's we all live.

True to a point, but there are lots of estimates about just how much of China's GHGs are the result of exports to countries like Canada. About 25% of the growth in China's emissions since 2000 can be associated with trade. The rest is just China developing. They've tripled per capita GDP in 15 years. And they're still only a third as wealthy as countries like Canada.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by SeeGeeWhy

I don't see it that way.

In the movie itself he admits he probably has a bigger footprint than most people on the planet, and that he understands that there are billions of people who want the kind of life that people in the US have been able to enjoy for the last 100 years.

In many ways he represents a very concentrated version of the core dilemma. We don't want to give up our great quality of life, nor do we want to deny that from others... but what can be done?

I thought the movie was actually quite good. I didn't enjoy the credibility it lent the Sierra Club, or that it did not mention Nuclear power a single time, but the message is largely on the mark and his speech at the end was excellent.

And this is slacktivism at its core. The very reason we are in a country that wants its high carbon lifestyle, but shame and block the very industry that allows it to live.

I for one am quite annoyed with the Kony generation that won't actually do anything to alter their life to support the solution they preach. Leo, Neil Young, David Suzuki are all on the "what can you do?" train and have no intention of helping to fix anything (well as long as it doesn't mean less for them)

You know what would be impactful? Saying that you only do teleconference from your home. Saying you will only vacation places you can bike or drive a solar car to. People respect actions. Instead we have Leo on mega yachts.

Problem is these Tides funded slacktivists have no intention of doing that. They view it as they made a movie, they made a speech, they have done their part. Meanwhile a guy like me who walked into work for 10 years and lives in a smaller house than needed gets dumped on because I worked for evil oil.

Sorry but eff Leo. The day he walks the talk like I did is the day he gets my respect.

[icecube]

Great doc. Mad respect to Leo for getting the message out there and making an entertaining and informative piece.

A kiss for all you haterz

[zamler]

Watched it, at one point Leo outright says Americans are not going to change their lifestyle so the tech better bail everyone and the planet out. Also the sound editing was really bad, very noticeable jump cuts makes you wonder how much context was altered. Maybe none but amateurish just the same.

The cinematography was nice in places, and as usual Elon Musk had valuable things to say. Overall it was okay I guess.

[Bunk]

I'm one who thinks that individual actions in a day-to-day basis are very irrelevant to the discussion, or at least they should be. I don't think people who want change in energy systems yet still benefit from the current ones (even to an extreme degree) are hypocrites.

Personally, as a specific example, I support phasing out coal for other electricity sources, but I'm not going to bloody well stop using electricity while we still have coal generated electricity. That transition is way beyond my individual control and my perspective is not some sort of personal affront to coal miners. Honestly, I don't begrudge Leo or David Suzuki flying jets around, even if I think their tone on the issue is poor or their views sometimes misinformed. I want those that have the ability to help make that change (government and industry) to act! Not every individual can affect the change they desire and/or hide under a rock until it happens lest they be a hypocrite!

Those who are cheerleaders for the industry often cite these "hypocrites", but it's really just taking time and attention away from the real task at hand, which is to figure out how the hell the industry should adapt to what seems like an inevitability: a transition to a less carbon intensive energy system.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Honestly, I don't begrudge Leo or David Suzuki flying jets around, even if I think their tone on the issue is poor or their views sometimes misinformed.

My issue is that the likes of DiCaprio et al have the means to go carbon neutral at home. Leo could spend 1% of his net worth on making his homes heated and cooled with geothermal, and powered by solar and wind. And that 1% is assuming his place would cost 50 times what my house would cost. (I have looked it up.)

If he did that, then flew around everywhere telling people to go green, at least I could respect that he had done part of what he is proposing.

And if enough high profile people would do that, it would certainly bring the costs down. Especially solar- where everybody seems to be waiting for the next price reduction.

[belsarius]

I don't think China gets enough credit for it's efforts to combat global warming. They are the largest emitter of GHG by far, but it's not like they are sitting on their hands. I get a lot of "well they should do something before we have to" and then I read articles that talk about what they are doing.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/china-p...823786?cmp=rss

The city of Foshan is in the middle of China's manufacturing heartland. It may be big and noisy, factories gushing consumer products and pollution, but its new city bus glides along almost silently, producing no pollution at all. The bus runs on hydrogen fuel cells, unique Canadian technology made in Vancouver by Ballard Power Systems, now installed in engines produced locally by a Chinese partner and investor. Ballard has a contract for 300 buses in two cities here.

A study by the environmental group Greenpeace found that last year, all of China's additional energy needs were met by green energy, as its growth outstrips the use of coal and oil. In fact, the level of coal-generated electricity has declined for three years in a row.

[Nandric]

Slightly off topic but I'm actually in the crowd at the vatican in this movie listening to the popes speech. World Famous!

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by belsarius

I don't think China gets enough credit for it's efforts to combat global warming. They are the largest emitter of GHG by far, but it's not like they are sitting on their hands. I get a lot of "well they should do something before we have to" and then I read articles that talk about what they are doing.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/china-p...823786?cmp=rss

Easier to avoid discussing your own shortcomings when you can demonize someone else.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

in the arena of ideas and facts people who are crapping on leo cant hold their own so they have to resort to ad hominem attacks. its transparent and embarrassing, and frankly reads like theres a bunch of sean hannity and ezra levant wannabes on here.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by belsarius

I don't think China gets enough credit for it's efforts to combat global warming.

http://www.ftseglobalmarkets.com/new...te-change.html

There's a bit of credit

I think the finger pointing at China has more to do with the fact they need to put forth the most effort in order for the globe to see a difference. And they will, because they have to.