I think it's time Treliving starts taking some serious heat

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I think our star players playing like a bunch of brain dead imbeciles has more to do with the losing than Treliving or Gulutzan.

But you have to wonder, why does Gaudreau look like a brain dead imbecile, when only 4 weeks ago he looked like one of the greatest players on the planet?

That's on the coach, IMO.

[MarkGio]

I never liked Burke as a hire but he has a good resume and hired a good GM, but both hired a ####ty coach. But honestly, the Flames were good at poor times. Imagine if they had less dignity and didn't win some meaningless games down the stretch during the Ekblad, McDavid, and Matthews drafts:

Gaudreau - McDavid - Laine
Baertschi - Monahan - Brouwer
Colborne - Backlund - Frolik

Giordano - Brodie
Kulak - Ekblad

Sure the playoffs were nice the one season, but that's a dope line-up.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

can't wait for Burke to take over and we get more great contracts like stajan

Can't you fire both Burke and Treliving? Or is this some sort of prisoner's dilemma thing where the Flames have to have an incompetent person running the team?

[jg13]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I never liked Burke as a hire but he has a good resume and hired a good GM, but both hired a ####ty coach. But honestly, the Flames were good at poor times. Imagine if they had less dignity and didn't win some meaningless games down the stretch during the Ekblad, McDavid, and Matthews drafts:

Gaudreau - McDavid - Laine
Baertschi - Monahan - Brouwer
Colborne - Backlund - Frolik

Giordano - Brodie
Kulak - Ekblad

Sure the playoffs were nice the one season, but that's a dope line-up.

Lol. If only it was that easy.

[automaton 3]

It was by and large Feaster's team (and Feaster's coach) that won BT a playoff round.

The more moves that BT has made, the worse the Flames' performance has been.

Not exactly a recipe to retain your job.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Depth players matter too

our depth players have, unfortunately, probably been the best players through 6 games.

Treliving can't force Monahan to give a damn

[browna]

JG and SM are missing Hudler big time. A carousel of linemates already this season, but Hudler had the perfect mix of smarts and skill and experience, which showed the last two seasons as a perfect compliment to those guys.

Now also with new deals, those guys are trying too hard to be the difference makers and its going the other way.

Forwards are a mess in general, with no flow, no consistency, but if you could get the top line going, maybe the others will follow.

Hamilton is playing with the confidence of a small kitten, Brodie is still all over the map.

[Ashasx]

When was the last time the Flames had a competent GM before Treliving? Hell, to me there is no question that Brad is already the 2nd best general manager this team has ever had.

3 years ago, we were employing a guy who almost lost our 1st round pick for nothing (in a season where we tied for the lowest finish in franchise history). 6 years ago our general manager traded Phaneuf for nothing.

I realize that these aren't high bars for Treliving to hit, but he is a smart hockey mind. He is constantly involved in discussions around the league. We hear it from insiders that Treliving is always the busiest guy in the league. And more often than not, he gets fantastic value in his trades.

You can bet Canucks fans would rather have Gillis than Benning. I fear who we would replace Treliving with. The rumour before Treliving was hired was that Burke was going to select Nieuwendyk.

Just the thought of that terrifies me.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

I never liked Burke as a hire but he has a good resume and hired a good GM, but both hired a ####ty coach. But honestly, the Flames were good at poor times. Imagine if they had less dignity and didn't win some meaningless games down the stretch during the Ekblad, McDavid, and Matthews drafts:

Gaudreau - McDavid - Laine
Baertschi - Monahan - Brouwer
Colborne - Backlund - Frolik

Giordano - Brodie
Kulak - Ekblad

Sure the playoffs were nice the one season, but that's a dope line-up.

The myth of Brian Burke continues.

His resume is awful.

[Alpine Fisher]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

It was by and large Feaster's team (and Feaster's coach) that won BT a playoff round.

The more moves that BT has made, the worse the Flames' performance has been.

Not exactly a recipe to retain your job.

Yup. It was Feasters team that made it to the Second Round.
First time they made it past 1st Round Since 2004. Second time since 1989

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Besides Gulutzan (at this point), what would people have done differently?

Should have addressed the top line. Seems like we are still missing another solid piece to the puzzle. I think the focus has been on someone with size rather than skill but maybe a guy like Yakupov would have been a better fit?

[browna]

Burke was brought in to clean up the Flames reputation around the league. Feaster had flushed that down the toliet.

Burke didn't want to take it, because he didn't want the full time gig and responsibility (and he hasn't, he really is a figure head to act in league matters on behalf of the Flames). But Edwards wanted him, just to get the Flames back on track within league circles, and bring some stability back, and that's how it played out. Edwards saw how quickly Feaster was blowing the goodwill the Flames had built up as an organization when it came to other teams, players, agents etc etc. Before the O'Reilly near-nuclear disaster, then after he was lucky that didn't blow up, then his botching and bitteness in the Iginla and Bouwmeester deals. And lots more.

The Flames went first after Shanahan, who turned it down, then Burke....just anyone to get the Flames reputation back in good graces. First full year with no Feaster, and none of that noise or distraction or catchy phrases, the Flames are back in the playoffs.

Burke is far from the problem. Treliving was widely regarded in league circles as a excellent AGM that was going to be a GM somewhere.
In hindsight, probably should've punted Hartley right away too to get his own guy in there, but had to wait 2 seasons thanks to making the playoffs in the first one.

GG is his hire, as well as Cameron and of course Jerrard (who coaches the defense, right?), and that's not looking that strong right now.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Should have addressed the top line. Seems like we are still missing another solid piece to the puzzle. I think the focus has been on someone with size rather than skill but maybe a guy like Yakupov would have been a better fit?

Edmonton was never going to trade a former 1st overall pick to Calgary.

And let's give Yakupov more than 6 games before we can say he's turned a corner.

[blender]

Yakupov looks good playing for Hitchcock.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Edmonton was never going to trade a former 1st overall pick to Calgary.

And let's give Yakupov more than 6 games before we can say he's turned a corner.

You might be right but I think Johnny and Monahan are missing some elite skill on the top line. If we are going to rely on our best players to produce they need to find the right mix before this seasons out of reach.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by pylon

He doesn't have two of the three. But he has a cup.

He also has the ghost moustache.

[Tinordi]

Yay we've reached the point in the thread complaining about all the hypothetical moves the GM we're irrationally angry at should have made.

[Stats87]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I disagree with the OP statement that Hamilton was low acquisition cost. Not saying Hamilton wasn't worth the gamble, but if you are willing to trade a 1st and 2 2nds there are a lot of players you could acquire.

Especially when you attach potential names to those picks.

It turned out to be Senyshyn, Forsbacka-Karlsson and Lauzon. But at 15 they coulda had Barzal, Connor or Boeser. (among others)

That said, adding a well-rounded Top 3 defenseman that young rarely comes cheap

[Stats87]

As a Canuck fan, my first impression at the time to many of Treliving's decisions were one of "that's pretty good. They just aren't working out like I thought they would. Some of the contracts he's signed deserve question, but I think you'll find that with most GM's.

That said, I don't get the Gulutzan hire as there is little in his history to suggest he deserved another HC job right now. Maybe that is why Carlyle was also floated out there, to soften the GG blow.

[shogged]

i think the loss of all these team guys has really hurt over time. Byron, Colborne, McGrattan, even sending a guy like Bollig down to the farm. Have to wonder what the chemistry is like in the room these days. Tough contract negotiation with Gaudreau didn't help either.