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Wamsley
Macoun
Nattress
Manderville
The Big Quitter
As bad as the Gilmour for Leeman exchange was, giving up the duo and leadership of Nattress and Macoun was arguably even more damaging to the Flames team.
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Wamsley
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The Big Quitter
As bad as the Gilmour for Leeman exchange was, giving up the duo and leadership of Nattress and Macoun was arguably even more damaging to the Flames team.
the problem too was they lost every comparable ... insane trade
Yup agreed though I always looked at it slightly different
Gilmour>Leeman (core players being exchanged)
Wamsley>Reese (backups)
Manderville=Godynyuk (the young players involved, neither really worked out - probably slight edge to Manderville. As an aside, boy did I like him as a prospect and thought he was going to be much more than he was)
Macoun>Petit (the best vets involved from either team, outside Leeman/Gilmour)
Nattress>Berube (the other vets involved)
Just an atrocity of a deal.
As a second aside, was looking at Gilmour's hockeydb page - and dear lord he had an odd end to his career. I barely remember him in places like Buffalo.
Yup agreed though I always looked at it slightly different
Gilmour>Leeman (core players being exchanged)
Wamsley>Reese (backups)
Manderville=Godynyuk (the young players involved, neither really worked out - probably slight edge to Manderville. As an aside, boy did I like him as a prospect and thought he was going to be much more than he was)
Macoun>Petit (the best vets involved from either team, outside Leeman/Gilmour)
Nattress>Berube (the other vets involved)
Just an atrocity of a deal.
As a second aside, was looking at Gilmour's hockeydb page - and dear lord he had an odd end to his career. I barely remember him in places like Buffalo.
All I remember about the end of Gilmore's career was this:
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Wamsley
Macoun
Nattress
Manderville
The Big Quitter
As bad as the Gilmour for Leeman exchange was, giving up the duo and leadership of Nattress and Macoun was arguably even more damaging to the Flames team.
Ah yes, knew Manderville was involved but forgot which side he was on.
I remember hanging on the hope that Godynuk was going to tilt the trade in our favour at some point but that clearly didn't work out... This was a Riseborough deal right? I wonder how much it stings him every time he sees Fletcher...
Sutter's moves had one thing in common: what can you do for me right now? Almost every single one of those trades involved getting older. Was Bourque worth a 2nd? Sure. Was Nilson worth a 2nd? Maybe. Did we have to get rid of Wayne Primeau because of the cap? Sure, but we shouldn't have had him in the first place. Was it worth a 2nd to do it? Nope. Was Steve Staios worth a 3rd? Doubtful.
Slowly, steadily, as these players age and you have absolutely no depth on the farm, your team turns into exactly what we had from 2010-2013. Window closed, old, expensive, and no youth coming up.
Darryl systematically overvalued "post-apex" players and systematically undervalued youth and draft picks. Yeah, he made a few great trades. He also made a few disastrous trades. Most of them were somewhere in the middle. On the whole, I would argue his tenure disclosed a series of moves that steadily leaked value and aged the franchise. Coupled with a failure to recognize that the team was inherently flawed, this precipitated a bottoming-out that we're just climbing out of now.
In my mind, good general managers always add value and youth, until the time is right to "sprint". Only then can you afford to make the kind of moves Darryl made pretty much exclusively, and you make them to try to win a cup. You don't make these moves to try to make the playoffs.
All guys in their prime. Not sure where you got post-apex from. Also it was a different era. Picks were not valued like they are today. Most of these trades were either pre lockout or the year after. They were trying to win a cup not rebuild.
The Flames as an organization have been terrible at drafting for the 20 years prior to the two picks in Brodie and Gaudreau.
Is Darryl's record really that much worse than Craig Button, Jay Feaster, Al Coates or Doug Riseborough?
Two of the three best players on the Flames Roster in the previous 20 years prior to treliving were acquired via trade. That's next level, organization-wide ineptitude.
Darryl was largely keeping the status quo alive.
Are Dennis Gauthier, Clark Wilm or Jesper Mattson really better or worse than Mikael Backlund and Chris Chucko?
Fact is, it took a senior and respected hockey operations executive to inform the flames that yes indeed, their #### stunk too.
