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calgaryblood · 07-30-2016, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think Monahan is just as effective at driving the play as is Gaudreau. He plays a very different style of game, which contributes greatly to how dramatically he is being under-rated in this thread. And yes, I honestly believe that he would have no problem producing around his current rate with or without Gaudreau.

It is borderline nonsense for people to insist that Monahan is a "good second line centre." The kid ranked in the 95th percentile of production among all designated centres to play in the NHL last year, and he was one of only three players in the top-thirty at his position under the age of 22-years-old.

He might be good at driving the play but there is no way he's just as effective as Gaudreau at driving the play.

TheScorpion · 07-30-2016, 08:39 PM

I think we need to start calling our team "The Prime Team", because all of our best players (Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Giordano, Brodie) wear prime numbers (13, 23, 11, 5, 7, respectively) on their jerseys.

jg13 · 07-30-2016, 10:50 PM

Gaudreau is the only "star" on the team by my definition

However I do agree, still. Brodie is one of, if not the most under rated player in the game.

TopChed · 07-31-2016, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Only Gaudreau.

^ This. We have exactly one.

flamesforcup · 07-31-2016, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

That list is missing a ton of people. I mean, if you have Sedin...

Stamkos
Seguin
Eichel
Johnson
Kuznetsov
Pavelski
Barkov
Spezza?
Duchene?
Stastny?
Johansen?
Monahan?

i forgot about seguin and stamkos. Im pretty sure Pavelski is a winger at the moment. The rest i dont agree at all. Eichal and Barkov need a couple really good 70 point seasons to be a bonified #1 centre.

Flames Draft Watcher · 07-31-2016, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by flamesforcup

i forgot about seguin and stamkos. Im pretty sure Pavelski is a winger at the moment. The rest i dont agree at all. Eichal and Barkov need a couple really good 70 point seasons to be a bonified #1 centre.

Barkov is a bonafide number one centre already. Watch some FLA games and it's pretty obvious. Arbitrary statistical cut offs be damned.

Eichel will be a #1 centre. He basically runs their powerplay already.

Tough to come to a consensus on these things because number 1 centre means different things to different people and some people are too hesitant to apply the label to players until they are stars/superstars.

dobbles · 07-31-2016, 11:29 PM

Enjoyed reading this thread to see how people view that levels of stardom. Since Brodie and Giordano are a couple of your top players, I figured this was an apt question...

Do defensemen get underrated in groupings like these because of their less flashy role? (and I am not meaning to imply there are no dmen on these lists, just that they might end up underrepresented.)

Hey Connor, It's Mess · 08-01-2016, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

How is Gaudreau a "polarizing" player?

Wrong choice of word on my part.

djsFlames · 08-01-2016, 07:22 PM

"Star"

Brodie
Monahan
Elliot

"All-Star"

Giordano
Gaudreau

AcGold · 08-02-2016, 06:00 AM

Brodie's as an all-star, he's just too cool for all-star games.

Rick M. · 08-02-2016, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AcGold

Brodie's as an all-star, he's just too cool for all-star games.

Brodie's an all-of-the-time star.

Lubicon · 08-02-2016, 09:25 AM

Gaudreau

CroFlames · 08-02-2016, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Par

Who are they?

generational:

Crosby
McDavid(####)

superstars:In no order

Alexander Ovechkin
Evgeni Malkin
Jonathan Toews
Vladimir Tarasenko
Patrick Kane
Steven Stamkos
Jamie Benn
Carey Price
PK subban
Erik Karlsson

stars:In no order

Joe Thornton
Johnny Gaudreau
Evgeny Kuznetsov
Anze Kopitar
John Tavares
Claude Giroux
Taylor Hall
Patrice Bergeron
Tyler Seguin
Joe Pavelski
Brent Burns
The Sedin Twins
Corey Perry
Blake Wheeler
Dustin Byfuglien
Filip Forsberg
Aleksander Barkov
Mark Giordano
Jack Eichel
Oliver Ekman-Larsson

Who Am I missing? Who should be removed?

Side question, the Oilers have one of the generational talents, how do the Flames deal with that? How will the Flames stop him? It just breaks my heart too see him on that team.

Ovechkin is undiaputedly the greatest goal scorer of the past several generations, and perhaps of all time. If he's not considered generational, then I don't know who would meet the criteria.

undercoverbrother · 08-02-2016, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

Ovechkin is undiaputedly the greatest goal scorer of the past several generations, and perhaps of all time. If he's not considered generational, then I don't know who would meet the criteria.

To my mind, he is a generational goal scorer, but a generational all around player.

Pedantic.

CroFlames · 08-02-2016, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

To my mind, he is a generational goal scorer, but a generational all around player.

Pedantic.

Well, there aren't too many career point per game players in the last 20 years, and he is one of them. He does have an Art Ross and three Harts to go along with his goal scoring titles.

undercoverbrother · 08-02-2016, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

Well, there aren't too many career point per game players in the last 20 years, and he is one of them. He does have an Art Ross and three Harts to go along with his goal scoring titles.

as I said: Pedantic