Unarmed Black Man Lying In The Street With Hands Up Gets Shot By Police

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Typical leftie garbage.

It was a truck, not a train.

God DAMMIT. That was the crux of my entire argument. Back to the drawing board!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

Just stop with this. Police are given a huge amount of responsibility, and when they do their job improperly, people can die. If anyone at any other job screws up that badly--they get fired, and if they're responsible for someone's death due to negligence, they get arrested and prosecuted. Yet police are allowed to jump to conclusions and kill innocent people and they get a paid vacation and desk work? Bad police need to be punished for their actions, period. Saying that bad police deserve punishment isn't supporting cop killers.

This is true.

I do think there needs to be a more nuanced understanding of the issue, though (go figure, I'm interested in the details). For example, as I said above, I'd bet that this guy wasn't properly trained in the use of force generally or the use of that weapon specifically. That's a failure of the system to put the police in the best possible position in scenarios when the stakes are at their absolute highest; life and death, as you rightly point out. This in turn is a failure of funding and prioritization within police departments I'm sure, but that raises its own questions: do you want to put this million bucks of public funds into better police training, or education or health care?

Along those same lines of officers not being equipped, a lot of BLM supporters will casually denigrate the average quality of officers, insinuating that the worst sorts of bullies tend to go into policing. The thing is, this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Over the past several decades, the general esteem of being a police officer has steadily gone down the toilet, with the result that there are fewer quality applicants over time - you're not getting nearly as many people with post-secondary educations anymore. Meanwhile, demand has increased. If you manage to convince the country of your central message, that Policing as an occupation has devolved into a broken cesspool of violent, racist #######s... who's going to apply tomorrow? No one you want doing the job. And no one is suggesting that we don't need police.

Taking that one step further, from the perspective of the good police officer, can you imagine how it feels to watch the news every night and see a job you take pride in dragged through the mud? Sure, you're probably right to say that the blame there is properly placed on the cops who screw up, but it's also amplified by BLM and cable news in an understandable effort to draw attention to the problem. Can you put yourself in that capable, conscientious officer's shoes and understand why you might become a touch resentful at doing a job where you put yourself at risk to keep your community safe, and are excoriated by moralistic white knights who have never spent a day of their lives behind the gun, just for putting on your uniform to protect them from bad guys? I can only imagine how that could make an idealist into a cynic pretty damned quickly, a good cop into one who- if they don't quit outright - just doesn't care all that much anymore.

Just some things to think about... it's always more complicated than populist movements want to make it out to be.

[PepsiFree]

Haha wow. This thread revealed the 'crazy' quick.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

What? Show me a single instance of BLM promoting the death of anyone.

"Plz Allah give me strength to not cuss/kill these men and white folks out here today. Plz plz plz"

- Yusra Khogali, Co-founder of BLM Toronto

She also said whites are subhuman, recessive genetic defects. That blacks could wipe out the whites. Shes a piece of trash and when your 'leaders' speak in such a manner, your movement is anything but a bloodthirsty cult. It's too bad because the movement is sorely needed, but it will self destruct and create even higher racial tensions due to their poorly thought out divide and conquer tactics.

As to this incident, trying to shoot a mentally handicapped person who is brandishing a toy truck, and hitting his caretaker three times is some major bull**** right there. Poor training, poor tactics, poor handling of firearms, possibly race motivated and almost certainly attempted murder.

I'm sure a internal hearing will absolve him of any wrong doing however.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

He's not? Pretty sure he has said multiple times he is. Well that's weird if he isn't but I'm glad he isn't if true.

We can say anything on the internet.

[rubecube]

Wait, did dissentower actually attempt to demonstrate how tolerant he was by linking to a website that is infamously misogynistic?

[Zulu29]

Wow...I can't believe this is real...that cop needs to be charged and fired asap. There is literally zero way that can be justified.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by 4X4

I thought he said he's a conservation officer. Busting those bad guys that are fishing with barbed hooks, and dirt bikers without headlights.

I could be wrong. Maybe he'll set me straight.

No he 100% said he's a real cop and I just re-read some of his posts stating he is a cop and he actually used the word "police officer" when referring to himself.

If he actually is a conversation officer and not a cop to me that's just as bad as claiming to be a army veteran when you've never been in an army. Hopefully he can clear that up and IMO would be real bad if he was because of his views in this thread.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

If he actually is a conversation officer

I was not aware this was an available career path. Updating resume now.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Police culture is too militarized down there. Look at the Boston Marathon bombing pictures of police basically having military level gear and vehicles. One of the best scenes ever in the Wire is when a Major talks about the drug war, and how you have to have "an enemy" for a war, and how quickly everyone becomes a bad guy. Cops now think too much that every situation will immediately go the extreme, that "the enemy" is out to get them, guns are out ready to fire way too quickly in too many situations. Gotta be some major changes to police training and hiring. Too many people who just want the guy and the almost impunity that comes with it.

[activeStick]

Still awaiting the appearance of a few other posters to see their views... 😃

[calgaryblood]

Also, has it been confirmed that's what the actual police chief said? Looks to be nothing I can find except that one Twitter user. Maybe he was making a joke?

Pretty sure it was a joke and that wasn't the cops explanation.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I was not aware this was an available career path. Updating resume now.

Haha you'd definitely get the job. Stupid autocorrect.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Ha ha. Wow.

Think he found this in his Facebook feed next to:

"Share this post with 20 people or you will start being charged a monthly subscription to Facebook".

[Senator Clay Davis]

Wasn't the actual police chief, it was the chief of the police union. So you'd expect a defense of the cop from them.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Wasn't the actual police chief, it was the chief of the police union. So you'd expect a defense of the cop from them.

Still, I can't find anything about it unless someone else can post a source that isn't a Twitter user.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

The twitter user in question is a Miami Herald reporter, so that seems credible.

EDIT: Here you go. WaPo.

During a news conference later on Thursday, John Rivera, president of the Miami-Dade County Police Benevolent Association, called the shooting an accident.

...“Fearing for Mr. Kinsey’s life, [the officer] discharged his firearm,” Rivera said. “In trying to save Mr. Kinsey’s life, he missed and accidentally struck Mr. Kinsey.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...istic-patient/

[calgaryblood]

http://gawker.com/officer-was-aiming...arm-1784067389

This is the only thing I can find and isn't Gawker a fake news web site?

[Senator Clay Davis]

From NBC Twitter. I as always recommend reading the comments.

https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/s...17068643504128

[pseudoreality]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This is true.

I do think there needs to be a more nuanced understanding of the issue, though (go figure, I'm interested in the details). For example, as I said above, I'd bet that this guy wasn't properly trained in the use of force generally or the use of that weapon specifically. That's a failure of the system to put the police in the best possible position in scenarios when the stakes are at their absolute highest; life and death, as you rightly point out. This in turn is a failure of funding and prioritization within police departments I'm sure, but that raises its own questions: do you want to put this million bucks of public funds into better police training, or education or health care?

Agreed

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Along those same lines of officers not being equipped, a lot of BLM supporters will casually denigrate the average quality of officers, insinuating that the worst sorts of bullies tend to go into policing. The thing is, this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Over the past several decades, the general esteem of being a police officer has steadily gone down the toilet, with the result that there are fewer quality applicants over time - you're not getting nearly as many people with post-secondary educations anymore. Meanwhile, demand has increased. If you manage to convince the country of your central message, that Policing as an occupation has devolved into a broken cesspool of violent, racist #######s... who's going to apply tomorrow? No one you want doing the job. And no one is suggesting that we don't need police.

Why has demand increased? Hasn't crime been steadily declining over last number of decades?

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Taking that one step further, from the perspective of the good police officer, can you imagine how it feels to watch the news every night and see a job you take pride in dragged through the mud? Sure, you're probably right to say that the blame there is properly placed on the cops who screw up, but it's also amplified by BLM and cable news in an understandable effort to draw attention to the problem. Can you put yourself in that capable, conscientious officer's shoes and understand why you might become a touch resentful at doing a job where you put yourself at risk to keep your community safe, and are excoriated by moralistic white knights who have never spent a day of their lives behind the gun, just for putting on your uniform to protect them from bad guys? I can only imagine how that could make an idealist into a cynic pretty damned quickly, a good cop into one who- if they don't quit outright - just doesn't care all that much anymore.

My biggest issue is why good cops don't stand up to bad cops? They never do no matter what. Instead, they have a well-documented culture of covering up for the bad apples. I always say its like priests, it's not that the odd one molests little boys, it's that the church just transfers them and covers it up because they are men of God.

You look in this case, they probably know right now exactly what happened and it's likely a stupid trigger happy cop. However, it will likely take months or years to "investigate" and then the cop will get off. If a cop got shot, the shooter would already have charges against him.