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Old 07-03-2016, 02:22 PM   #61
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Can't say I'm surprised to see the Jets ranked so low by so many. Last year was a really tough go. But 3 changes alone are going to be a big difference:

1) Laine being inserted in the top 6. The guy is the most exciting goal scoring prospect in years
2) Kyle Connor being added and Ehlers with another year under his belt. Conner is an incredible talent and a really exciting prospect, should have won the HB last year in college.
3) Pavelec having to defend his status as starter (insane hes even on the team) against Hellebuyck.

Are those enough improvements to get the Jets in to the playoffs? Who knows. I hope.
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Old 07-03-2016, 04:20 PM   #62
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I'm surprised you have the Oilers as high as 4th. Their D hasn't improved nearly enough IMO.

Prediction is based on a healthy McDavid playing all 82 games. I'm not an Oiler fan by any means, but a player of his caliber has large potential to increase a teams total season wins.

Look at Gaudreau for Calgary last year. If it wasn't for Johnny's production and even unaccounted for 3rd man assists, the Flames wouldn't of had as many wins as they had.
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...The Flames and jets have been lock-step for the last 3 years and this is the year where the Flames pull away. Why?
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Where do you think the Flames have the huge advantage?
In defense and goaltending.
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Oilers couldn't score before and lost their leading scorer...not sure how Lucic makes up for that...they will be a bottom feeder again
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Old 07-03-2016, 05:19 PM   #65
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Understanding we're all die-hard fans here, but I'm still surprised at the amount of people that have the Flames finishing 2nd-3rd.

I have a gut feeling its going to be another painful season. Another one of those years where if Johnny isn't in on a goal than the offence is Nil.

1. Sharks
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Old 07-03-2016, 05:42 PM   #66
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Prediction is based on a healthy McDavid playing all 82 games. I'm not an Oiler fan by any means, but a player of his caliber has large potential to increase a teams total season wins.

Look at Gaudreau for Calgary last year. If it wasn't for Johnny's production and even unaccounted for 3rd man assists, the Flames wouldn't of had as many wins as they had.
I didn't know McDavid could play in all 6 defensive spots . Their team won't be last, but they haven't addressed enough failings to be good. They probably finish ahead of the Canucks, who are a total mess.

Your second statement could be said about every team. Almost every team has a top tier guy. It's the way the lottery system is designed. So I don't see that as being too relevant.
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Old 07-03-2016, 05:45 PM   #67
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11th in scoring last season
Likely to drop, without improvement in personnel/growth in Flames elite (which I expect has/will improve).
Team defense was abysmal. They will tighten that down. Some offense will suffer at the expense of of not playing that kind of hockey.
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Old 07-03-2016, 05:52 PM   #68
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Likely to drop, without improvement in personnel/growth in Flames elite (which I expect has/will improve).
Team defense was abysmal. They will tighten that down. Some offense will suffer at the expense of of not playing that kind of hockey.
He said they offence will be NIL when JG isn't in on the goal "LIKE LAST SEASON"

just saying that certainly wasn't the case

As for the goal scoring next season...sure it may go down a bit with better defensive play but that defensive play in addition to the goal tending should be a net positive.

As horrible as last season was the Flames needed 5 wins to be a playoff team...half decent goal tending alone would have got them that IMO
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Prediction is based on a healthy McDavid playing all 82 games. I'm not an Oiler fan by any means, but a player of his caliber has large potential to increase a teams total season wins.

Look at Gaudreau for Calgary last year. If it wasn't for Johnny's production and even unaccounted for 3rd man assists, the Flames wouldn't of had as many wins as they had.
Weren't they slightly worse when he was *in* the line-up last year? Not saying he makes them worse, but his impact didn't seem all that much.

They haven't improved in the areas that matter, namely defence, to make that much of a difference. Until that happens, I'm not really that worried about them.
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Old 07-03-2016, 06:16 PM   #70
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Metro:

1. Washington - playoffs

2. Pittsburgh - playoffs
3. Flyers - playoffs

4. Islanders - playoffs

5. Blue Jackets
6. Rangers

7. Devils

8. Carolina





Atlantic

1. Florida - playoffs

2. TB - playoffs

3. Buffalo - playoffs

4. Montreal - playoffs

5. Boston

6. Detroit

7. Ottawa

8. Toronto



Central.

1. Dallas - playoffs

2. Chicago - playoffs

3. Nashville - playoffs

4. Winnipeg - playoffs

5. St.Louis - playoffs

6. Wild

7. Avs





Pacific

1. Sharks - playoffs

2. Flames - playoffs

3. Ducks - playoffs

4. Arizona

5. Edmonton

6. Los Angeles

7. Vancouver



Flyers surprise, Flames fix it up, LA sucks, Oilers finally improve a lil.
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Old 07-03-2016, 06:19 PM   #71
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Nope. Predicting NHL standings is impossible.
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Id say this is about enough of the predictions.
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Old 07-03-2016, 06:31 PM   #73
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Id say this is about enough of the predictions.

Would you say you predict it?
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3. New York R
4. Philadelphia
5. New York I
6. Columbus
7. New Jersey
8. Carolina

Atlantic:
1. Tampa Bay
2. Boston
3. Florida
4. Montreal
5. Detroit
6. Buffalo
7. Ottawa
8. Toronto

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1. Chicago
2. Dallas
3. St. Louis
4. Minnesota
5. Nashville
6. Winnipeg
7. Colorado

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4. Anaheim
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Pacific Salmon

1. San Jose
2. Los Angeles
3. Anaheim
4. Calgary
5. Edmonton
6. Arizona
7. Vancouver

Central Vacuum

1. St. Louis
2. Dallas
3. Chicago
4. Nashville
5. Winnipeg
6. Minnesota
7. Colorado

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3. Boston
4. Buffalo
5. Detroit
6. Montreal
7. Toronto
8. Ottawa

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1. Penguins
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Western

1. Nashville
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4. Calgary
5. Los Angeles
6. Chicago
7. Anaheim
8. St. Louis
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10. Vancouver
11. Winnipeg
12. Arizona
13. Edmonton
14. Colorado

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1. Tampa Bay
2. Florida
3. Washington
4. Pittsburgh
5. Buffalo
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7. Philadelphia
8. New York Islanders
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10. New Jersey
11. Buffalo
12. Carolina
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1. Tampa Bay
2. Florida
3. Washington
4. Pittsburgh
5. Buffalo
6. Montreal
7. Philadelphia
8. New York Islanders
9. New York Rangers
10. New Jersey
11. Buffalo
12. Carolina
13. Columbus
14. Ottawa
15. Toronto
Detroit is going to fold?
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1. Nashville
2. San Jose
3. Dallas
4. Calgary
5. Los Angeles
6. Chicago
7. Anaheim
8. St. Louis
9. Minnesota
10. Vancouver
11. Winnipeg
12. Arizona
13. Edmonton
14. Colorado

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1. Tampa Bay
2. Florida
3. Washington
4. Pittsburgh
5. Buffalo
6. Montreal
7. Philadelphia
8. New York Islanders
9. New York Rangers
10. New Jersey
11. Buffalo
12. Carolina
13. Columbus
14. Ottawa
15. Toronto
I like the optimism for the Flames, but there's just no way we will take 4th in the West. Not until Wideman, Engelland, Smid, Bollig and Stajan are off the books and their cap is used for much better players. Our bottom 3 has to sorted out and a top RW comes forward. We will definitely improve with the changes we have made, but the bad contracts are weighing us down right now.
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I like the optimism for the Flames, but there's just no way we will take 4th in the West. Not until Wideman, Engelland, Smid, Bollig and Stajan are off the books and their cap is used for much better players. Our bottom 3 has to sorted out and a top RW comes forward. We will definitely improve with the changes we have made, but the bad contracts are weighing us down right now.

There is definitely a way.

I think it would be surprising if we weren't in playoff contention. Now, last year 8th was pretty far back from the pack, but there was only a 7 point difference between 4th and 7th.

Is it likely the Flames finish 4th? No, but with as much parity as there is, there are many teams 'likely' to be in the top four.

I think another year of maturity for Johnny and Monny as well as solid goaltending, a better system, and a few top teams getting worse could easily spell a significant leap in the standings.

Besides, Smid and Bollig are irrelevant (LTIR/low contract), Engelland has been good, Wideman can contribute normally (last season was horrible), and Stajan is solid. The last three are overpaid, but they aren't negatively impacting the team. We could've signed nearly any free agent we wanted to this summer, therefore there is no evidence their contracts are holding us back. Plus, you always overpay for FA.
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There is definitely a way.

I think it would be surprising if we weren't in playoff contention. Now, last year 8th was pretty far back from the pack, but there was only a 7 point difference between 4th and 7th.

Is it likely the Flames finish 4th? No, but with as much parity as there is, there are many teams 'likely' to be in the top four.

I think another year of maturity for Johnny and Monny as well as solid goaltending, a better system, and a few top teams getting worse could easily spell a significant leap in the standings.

Besides, Smid and Bollig are irrelevant (LTIR/low contract), Engelland has been good, Wideman can contribute normally (last season was horrible), and Stajan is solid. The last three are overpaid, but they aren't negatively impacting the team. We could've signed nearly any free agent we wanted to this summer, therefore there is no evidence their contracts are holding us back. Plus, you always overpay for FA.
I agree that we could be in playoff contention, just not top 4 in the west. The west has far too many tough and talented teams. I see the Flames developing nicely and improving. But I have to disagree with you on Engelland, Wideman, Smid, Bollig and Stajan.

Engelland and Wideman are liabilities on the ice and the sooner they are gone the better. When they didn't play, the Flames defense improved significantly. We won more games and looked more confident. There is proof these guys are holding the team back, in more ways than one.

Not only do those players take a staggering $16.05 million in cap space, they take away roster spots from better rookies. We have guys in our system that are better and should replace them. We saw this at the end of last year.

There is no guarantee that Smid will be on LTIR. He has a lot of time to recover, then we are stuck with him. He is an unknown. I wouldn't count on anything being certain. Bollig will probably be in the AHL. Stajan is slowing down and overpriced for the 4th line. I think Jankowski will/should replace him, but we are stuck with Stajan's cap. I'd like to see Stajan in the AHL mentoring our rookies because he could be great for their development. But I'm unsure if that will happen.

Engelland, Wideman, Smid, Bollig and Stajan take up $16.05 million of our cap. That's a ton of money and roster spots for bad and overplayed players.
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