[Rumour] Flames have permission to talk to Bishop. Wants 7x7 extension.

[dissentowner]

Cap space is the biggest value for the Bolts in any deal for Bishop. Combine that with the fact he can walk in a year or will need a long term extension and I would offer a 2nd and a lower pick at most.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I understand the logic, but why stop there? Reimer is not that much of an improvement from our current situation. Why bother signing him at all? Get Ramo/Ortio tandem and suffer through the season knowing full well that they are only a temporary bridge solution until a bona fide #1 goalie emerges from somewhere.

Reimer is a serious improvement over Ramo or Ortio. You can't judge a goalie by the crappy team he played behind, look at the mans numbers.

[Enoch Root]

Because I think Reimer is better than Ramo. And also because sometimes you have to move on, and even though Ramo isn't that bad, the optics are.

[Par]

Originally Posted by 868904

The only goalies the 6th overall pick (straight up) should be traded for are Carey Price, Braden Holtby, Tuuka Rask, and Peter Mrazek.

I think the only goalie worth the 6th overall is Price, with Holtby the caps would have to add something, with Mrazek, the Wings have to add something significant.

I really hope we don't get Bishop, high cost, equipment change coming, he may struggle, just sign Reimer if you cannot get anything done. The draft cannot come soon enough.

[Enoch Root]

Also, it's easy to say 'let's just pay up and get Bishop' but the fact of the matter is that the Flames are pretty tight to the cap AND they have multiple holes in the lineup.

We need a goalie, but if we pay too much, there are huge opportunity costs elsewhere

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Buff

Curious. How many times has a player in a similar situation to Kiprusoff been discovered to be a #1 goalie after being traded away from the team where he wasn't getting a chance. Does anybody know?

Hasek and Rask would be another I can think of off the top of my head. Pretty rare to it turn out like that though.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Buff

Curious. How many times has a player in a similar situation to Kiprusoff been discovered to be a #1 goalie after being traded away from the team where he wasn't getting a chance. Does anybody know?

Depends on your definition of that question. Kipper is arguably the most extreme situation, but I think there are a fair # of times this has happened.
Off the top of my head

Ben Bishop (Blues draft pick originally)
Cam Talbot
Mike Smith?
JS Giguere
Devan Dubnyk
Craig Anderson
Martin Jones?
Antti Niemi?
Jaro Halak

But it is hard to answer because of the word "discovered". Were these guys above projected to be #1st when they were traded or not. It is a bit subjective. However, it isn't unusual for a guy to not emerge as a #1 until they get an opportunity in another organization.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Par

I think the only goalie worth the 6th overall is Price, with Holtby the caps would have to add something, with Mrazek, the Wings have to add something significant.

I really hope we don't get Bishop, high cost, equipment change coming, he may struggle, just sign Reimer if you cannot get anything done. The draft cannot come soon enough.

Holtby is one of the very few goalies I would trade 6 straight up for. That being said it doesn't matter as the Caps are certainly not moving him.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by Par

I think the only goalie worth the 6th overall is Price, with Holtby the caps would have to add something, with Mrazek, the Wings have to add something significant.

I really hope we don't get Bishop, high cost, equipment change coming, he may struggle, just sign Reimer if you cannot get anything done. The draft cannot come soon enough.

That's some serious overvaluing of the 6 OA. Holtby is 26 years old and front runner for the Vezina.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Because I think Reimer is better than Ramo. And also because sometimes you have to move on, and even though Ramo isn't that bad, the optics are.

They both demonstrated good and bad streaks. Reimer is a bit more seasoned. As to him being significantly better than Ramo... I am trying to think of Reimer's best games on TSN highlight reels and I can't.

[Par]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Holtby is one of the very few goalies I would trade 6 straight up for. That being said it doesn't matter as the Caps are certainly not moving him.

With Holtby, I'd try and get a second or a third round puck, it would put my heart at more ease. With Price straight up, if PK Subban is going to Edmonton, it is only fair that Carey Price goes to Calgary.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Hasek and Rask would be another I can think of off the top of my head. Pretty rare to it turn out like that though.

Tuukka Rask always played for the Bruins. Drafted by the Leafs I think, then traded? Never played there though.

[Vinny01]

My thoughts is if Stamkos will sign in Tampa then Bishop is as good as gone

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Tuukka Rask always played for the Bruins. Drafted by the Leafs I think, then traded? Never played there though.

Yup because the Leafs traded him for...Andrew Raycroft.
Dear god.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Par

I think the only goalie worth the 6th overall is Price, with Holtby the caps would have to add something, with Mrazek, the Wings have to add something significant.



I really hope we don't get Bishop, high cost, equipment change coming, he may struggle, just sign Reimer if you cannot get anything done. The draft cannot come soon enough.

Lol how ridiculous. Holtby is worth 10x more than Alex Nylander or Olli Juolevi. Blind homerism on this one.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Yup because the Leafs traded him for...Andrew Raycroft.
Dear god.

That's only because they had Justin Pogge waiting in the wings...

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Yup because the Leafs traded him for...Andrew Raycroft.
Dear god.

But they had Justin Pogge as well so no need for two stud young goalies, they always work out.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by dino7c

VERY rare...to expect it to happen again let alone for the same team is ridiculous

And why is the new equipment only hurting Bishop and nobody else? in fact the guy wants the NHL to reduce equipment is has been vocal in support of it

I'm not sure it's THAT rare. It's actually pretty often that a backup goalie gets traded and ends up better (or comparable) to the person (or people) ahead of them.

Jones from LA to SJ
Bryzgalov from ANH to PHX
Bishop himself traded from behind Anderson in OTT
Lehner same as above
St Louis has gone through Halak, Elliott and Miller, imagine if they traded Allen during that time.
Elliot was also traded for Anderson and (helped) won the Jennings the following year.

Those are just off the top of my head. They don't all (or few) turn into elite level goaltenders in the vein of Kipper, but to get a decent goaltender from another teams depth chart is not unheard of. In fact, I'd say it's more common that grooming your own from scratch. There is a surplus of good goalies in the NHL.

[saillias]

I'm surprised how so many posters think the equipment changes are going to have any real difference on goalies. Or that proportionately, a bigger goalie will be hurt even more by any equipment changes.

It's a corner cutting measure so it looks like the NHL is doing something. It isn't a genuine attempt to increase scoring.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by saillias

I'm surprised how so many posters think the equipment changes are going to have any real difference on goalies. Or that proportionately, a bigger goalie will be hurt even more by any equipment changes.

It's a corner cutting measure so it looks like the NHL is doing something. It isn't a genuine attempt to increase scoring.

I dunno. I think we will be surprised how many "shot-blocking" goaltenders end up being exposed pretty drastically if they have a significant scale-back in gear size (which I think they will and should).