Oh I wanted to speak more on the CRISPR technology and its potential medical applications for obesity, it will have massive impacts on future medical technology but in this specific case we have some really promising research.
The researchers are currently establishing collaborations in academia and industry to translate their findings into obesity therapeutics. They are also using their approach as a model to understand the circuitry of other disease-associated regions in the human genome.
The paper is a tour de force, according to Evan Rosen, a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School who was not involved in the research.
“The researchers present a near-complete unveiling of how a genetic risk allele in a noncoding region of the genome really works,” Rosen says. “It’s really an extraordinary piece of science, and it provides a template for how we should be approaching these genetic variants in all disease areas.”
CRISPR will become a house hold name, but everyone should watch this very brief video on what it is, this stuff is incredibly exciting.
So, to summarize - more porchetta and capicolo, and less noodles? Interesting discussion and an interesting topic.
I myself have lost 35 lbs over the past 6-7 months (225 to high 180s), but seem to have plateaued. Seems crazy - I work out twice a day and often burn more exercising than I consume. If anything I worry that I am taking in less than I am burning (I average around 1800 exercise and 1800 intake per day), and yet I seem to have stopped shedding weight. It must be because I love the noodle, and probably because I am focusing too much on cardio. You guys seem to be saying more bench press and more chicken wings.
I saw that NYT article and mentioned Thor to my wife - I was wondering how you were doing... best of luck!
Thank you, I'm very excited about the surgery, especially after getting Yoni Friedhoff's personal recommendation and knowing 2 friends who have had terrific results 5 yrs and 8yrs later respectively.
I'm currently in the midst of weight loss and the hardest part for me is not allowing one cheat meal to turn into a cheat day to turn into a cheat weekend. Which is something mentioned in the article. Once the ball gets rolling, it just keeps rolling.
By far this is the hardest. Cardio and weights I enjoy ... controlling the urge to run wild on a bag of Doritos is like benching twice my max.
Also drinking ... which I love doing. I can account for the beer calories easy enough in my weekly routine, but the decisions you make diet wise while drunk can be pretty brutal
I think it is a good idea to give yourself one cheat meal every 2 weeks. Eat as much as you want of anything. Usually this means people go to 5 guys and binge. Or order in pizza.
Look at is as a deload week.
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So, to summarize - more porchetta and capicolo, and less noodles? Interesting discussion and an interesting topic.
I myself have lost 35 lbs over the past 6-7 months (225 to high 180s), but seem to have plateaued. Seems crazy - I work out twice a day and often burn more exercising than I consume. If anything I worry that I am taking in less than I am burning (I average around 1800 exercise and 1800 intake per day), and yet I seem to have stopped shedding weight. It must be because I love the noodle, and probably because I am focusing too much on cardio. You guys seem to be saying more bench press and more chicken wings.
I saw that NYT article and mentioned Thor to my wife - I was wondering how you were doing... best of luck!
Increasing your calories and doing something HIIT might work. I'm not a big fan of going super low carb. I think if you are active they should be part of your diet. I personally try to stay under 175g carbs per day.
I think it is a good idea to give yourself one cheat meal every 2 weeks. Eat as much as you want of anything. Usually this means people go to 5 guys and binge. Or order in pizza.
Look at is as a deload week.
Yeah, I actually try one a week. My problem is really the post drinking decisions, and then like rube said, the hangover day
I agree that it is super easy for a cheat snack to turn into a cheat meal to turn into a cheat day to turn into a cheat weekend. I have the same problem.
I find when I do cheat nights, I make sure the next day I go out and move, even if its walk for 30 mins, 1hr, swim or anything. Otherwise it can easily turn into a bad food day.
You're lecturing people who have had unhealthy lifestyles for the majorities of their lives to change their lifestyle, then tell them they need to keep that lifestyle one day every two weeks?
Cheat meals/days are stupid. It's an unhealthy eating behavior both physically and psychologically. You're dealing with people with already unhealthy relationships with food and eating and you're essentially introducing binging and purging.
As far as I know there's no research to support cheat meals and days boosting metabolism.
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I find when I do cheat nights, I make sure the next day I go out and move, even if its walk for 30 mins, 1hr, swim or anything. Otherwise it can easily turn into a bad food day.
I do a little more cardio than usual the day of and play a round of golf, or go for long run the following morning. They say a round of golf burns around 1500 calories, so that is already a big dent in it. I try not to get too weird about it, but am still a little strategic. As mentioned, I am a huge beer lover, which is what I look forward to more than junk food.
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Actually quite the contrary, people who restrict themselves and refuse to eat unhealthy ever again are far more likely to fail, and when they do break down and cheat they tend to binge in shame and for many days.
There are a certain element who have gone through Overeating Anonymous who completely refrain from unhealthy foods, they treat it like an alcoholic but those programs have only slightly better success than fad diets.
The reason a cheat night can be a godsend for people is that if you eat 100% for 6 days and one day or one meal they can enjoy whatever they want, they will still be FAR better off and can make that a lifestyle. Having something to look forward to during the week while fighting off cravings and triggers is not to be underestimated.
Actually quite the contrary, people who restrict themselves and refuse to eat unhealthy ever again are far more likely to fail, and when they do break down and cheat they tend to binge in shame and for many days.
There are a certain element who have gone through Overeating Anonymous who completely refrain from unhealthy foods, they treat it like an alcoholic but those programs have only slightly better success than fad diets.
The reason a cheat night can be a godsend for people is that if you eat 100% for 6 days and one day or one meal they can enjoy whatever they want, they will still be FAR better off and can make that a lifestyle. Having something to look forward to during the week while fighting off cravings and triggers is not to be underestimated.
I understand the idea, but you're allowed to have a piece of cake for dessert without waiting a week and just eating the whole cake.
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You're lecturing people who have had unhealthy lifestyles for the majorities of their lives to change their lifestyle, then tell them they need to keep that lifestyle one day every two weeks?
Cheat meals/days are stupid. It's an unhealthy eating behavior both physically and psychologically. You're dealing with people with already unhealthy relationships with food and eating and you're essentially introducing binging and purging.
As far as I know there's no research to support cheat meals and days boosting metabolism.
Yes, on one hand, bro talk gets a little silly with the cheat meal/metabolism boost claims. In addition, cheat meals/days can create unhealthy relationships with food where you start to idolize certain foods. That said, I enjoy some of the "finer" things in life but know there is a cost to consuming it too frequently. So, I simply limit it to once a week. As mentioned, I try not to get too weird about it, but am still smart.
The suggestion might just be to have a flexible diet where you eat what you want whenever you want, but have reasonable portions that fit into your caloric needs. Sorry, but Im not even going to try and go down that road of trying to fit high caloric food into daily meals. What would that be? One slice of pizza and half a pint and spoonful of ice cream?
It sucks that high caloric food in large quantities is highly desirable, but it is. I see no harm in living a disciplined lifestyle where you limit yourself to once a week or so.
Edit- by the way, I have never had to binge and purge. My ability to enjoy myself on the weekend is more a reflection of how active I am as opposed to starving myself for days following a cheat meal. Yes, binging and purging is a huge problem if that is the only way you can have a cheat day.
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I do a little more cardio than usual the day of and play a round of golf, or go for long run the following morning. They say a round of golf burns around 1500 calories, so that is already a big dent in it. I try not to get too weird about it, but am still a little strategic. As mentioned, I am a huge beer lover, which is what I look forward to more than junk food.
You could also cut back what you eat 250 calories per day, and allow yourself a 1,000 to 1,500 calorie cheat meal once per week.
EDIT: And if someone thinks that is crazy, it is the equivalent to someone cutting 1 teaspoon of sugar out of their coffee once a day for a week straight.
The fitness community on reddit has a lot of different people on there that have lost weight and kept their sanity this way. People do well if there is a small reward for their accomplishments.
Yes, on one hand, bro talk gets a little silly with the cheat meal/metabolism boost claims. In addition, cheat meals/days can create unhealthy relationships with food where you start to idolize certain foods. That said, I enjoy some of the "finer" things in life but know there is a cost to consuming it too frequently. So, I simply limit it to once a week. As mentioned, I try not to get too weird about it, but am still smart.
The suggestion might just be to have a flexible diet where you eat what you want whenever you want, but have reasonable portions that fit into your caloric needs. Sorry, but Im not even going to try and go down that road of trying to fit high caloric food into daily meals. What would that be? One slice of pizza and half a pint and spoonful of ice cream?
It sucks that high caloric food in large quantities is highly desirable, but it is. I see no harm in living a disciplined lifestyle where you limit yourself to once a week or so.
Edit- by the way, I have never had to binge and purge. My ability to enjoy myself on the weekend is more a reflection of how active I am as opposed to starving myself for days following a cheat meal. Yes, binging and purging is a huge problem if that is the only way you can have a cheat day.
Exactly. If you give in and eat a little 'junk' food during the week it is super easy to suddenly add 1000 unplanned calories per day. A slice of cake here, slice of pizza there, and your whole week is screwed up. Making a lifestyle change is all about learning how to manage your food intake properly, and having a planned cheat meal once a week or once every 2 weeks where you allow yourself to enjoy something you like is not going to create a problem if it is handled properly.
I understand the idea, but you're allowed to have a piece of cake for dessert without waiting a week and just eating the whole cake.
Also, the success factor and emotion victory that you did it every week really helps. It's these steps that are very powerful and when you're happy you have a far greater chance at success then when your down.
My cheat night I always have grand plans, but the reality is that I can only eat a small amount. I get one beer and a dine out diner (I usually take my Aunt out with me) and we order what we want. When I get home I have something homemade like nuts and bolts or Nachos and maybe a have a cup of chocolate almonds. I also have to drink 2L of water because those carbs suck all the water out of my body.
I've experienced eating disorders first hand (not in myself). While it's obviously multi-factorial, Bulimia Nervosa is characterized by:
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The cardinal symptoms of bulimia nervosa include only inappropriate bingeing and compensatory behavior, not low body weight.
...a sense of loss of control over eating is an important feature of bulimia nervosa. Subjective binges are defined not by the amount of food consumed, but by an appraisal that more food was eaten than should have been consumed and a concomitant sense of lack of control.
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You could also cut back what you eat 250 calories per day, and allow yourself a 1,000 to 1,500 calorie cheat meal once per week.
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I agree that it is super easy for a cheat snack to turn into a cheat meal to turn into a cheat day to turn into a cheat weekend. I have the same problem.
I'm obviously not saying people who eat cheat meals are bulimic. And I don't mean to single you out Azure as there are TONS of people who are the exact same way. I'm just trying to say that you already have some risk factors for problems if you're trying to lose weight and increase your fitness, so why introduce another. There's so much pressure on yourself when you're trying to lose weight, let alone pressure from others, and pressure watching people in the gym / social media / message boards.
Again, if you're losing weight you probably already have a difficult relationship with food. Cheat meals, in my opinion, will only make that worse.
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I think one of the big things for me is making sure I don't eat when I'm not hungry, which is why the 5-6 small meals per day trick doesn't work for me. I usually eat a decent-sized breakfast, small-sized lunch, one snack, and then a big dinner.
Hasn't it been proven that 5-6 smaller meals per day isn't any different from 2-3 larger meals? I think people are all different.
I can get away without eating much till noon. Some people get sick and dizzy if they don't have breakfast.
As for the cheat meals, I certainly don't disagree. Some people quit smoking cold turkey and beat the struggle afterwards when the cravings are really bad.
