What is a fair Joe Colborne contract?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I have an Oiler friend who said he'd do a Colborne for Yakupov deal. I could live with that.

In terms of what they do on the ice I think that's a lateral move at best.

[Keselke]

My feeling is Colborne will never have a better season than the one he just had. I hope that we don't end up paying for it

[1qqaaz]

If the negotiations do go to arbitration, I do think Colborne gets at least 3 million a year. Just based on his offensive production compared to other NHL comparables. Arb deals are often shorter in term.

I could see the contract coming to 3 mill for 2 years.

Hopefully they can come to a deal before then. Personally, I'd rather have a 2.8x4 type contract. Hoping for 2.0-2.5mill is just silly IMO. Who gets 44 points in 73 games, then makes that little? Backes (a UFA) has many more intangibles, but he got 45 points in 79 games. According to Friedman, is demanding 6 million for 4 years. He's also set to decline further.

[ricardodw]

Flames offer less than a 3M x 2 deal He gets his 3.6 in the first 10 minutes of arbitration.

Backlund got a 3.575 x 4 deal in the same situation a year ago.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Flames offer less than a 3M x 2 deal He gets his 3.6 in the first 10 minutes of arbitration.

Backlund got a 3.575 x 4 deal in the same situation a year ago.

Because Backlund is way better than Joe Colborne.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Colborne is a 3rd line player, so needs to be compensated accordingly. That means in the $2M range. Of course the Flames have a little problem on their hands with Bouma's salary. Colborne can use that and get that as a baseline to leapfrog into higher salary numbers.

[Badgers Nose]

The really good years havent started yet and already we are in cap trouble. BT is great, but he has painted himsef into a corner by handing out a big contract to Bouma. If arb gets Joe 3.5+ yikes!

hopefuly he can fix it this offseason.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

I agree the Bouma deal wasn't a good one. But the Flames are far from cap trouble. Saying we are in cap trouble ignores the fact the cap trouble goes away next season.

We aren't at risk of not being able to sign any assets we truly care about (our core) which is all that matters. The only reason people are even thinking we have cap issues is because, one, some our young core are better quicker than we thought, two, Treliving added an amazing young D piece unexpectedly to our core last year, and three, and this one is must important, the team became competitive quicker than expected. Flames brass gave Treliving to spend during our rebuild so we didn't go full Oiler. Turned out our young guys progressed faster than thought, making fans impatient about our cap situation and impatient about freeing up money right away to fill our gaps.

But all of these are good problems to have. I'm not saying Treliving hasn't made any mistakes, Bouma us a great example. But his body of work has been good to date. Worst case scenario with Colborne is we have to walk away from a decent but not great player, we will survive.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

The really good years havent started yet and already we are in cap trouble. BT is great, but he has painted himsef into a corner by handing out a big contract to Bouma. If arb gets Joe 3.5+ yikes!

hopefuly he can fix it this offseason.

somehow it's Bouma's 2.2 M and not Hamilton's 5.75 , Frolik's 4.3 or Gio's 6.75.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

somehow it's Bouma's 2.2 M and not Hamilton's 5.75 , Frolik's 4.3 or Gio's 6.75.

Difference between good deals and bad deals. Although Gio's will be a bad deal by the back half of that contract.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

The really good years havent started yet and already we are in cap trouble. BT is great, but he has painted himsef into a corner by handing out a big contract to Bouma. If arb gets Joe 3.5+ yikes!

hopefuly he can fix it this offseason.

The cap will probably be about $74M and you think Treliving has painted himself into a corner by paying Bouma - a very servicable, physical and versatile player - $2.2M?

$2.2 is a million below the average at $74M.

You can dislike the contract if you want, but it has definitely not painted the Flames into a corner.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Difference between good deals and bad deals. Although Gio's will be a bad deal by the back half of that contract.

To be fair, I think Hamilton still needs to prove his is a good deal.

[Jason14h]

And what did Frolik show us last season to be worth 4.3 million!

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

And what did Frolik show us last season to be worth 4.3 million!

Frolik was the best available two way forward on July 1st, therefore a bidding war for his services made him worth 4.3 Million.

[Enoch Root]

$4.3M for his 27-30 UFA years (he'll be 31 for the last few months of the contract) for a solid 2-way, 3rd line guy that can take shifts in the top 6, is a very good contract.

[Jason14h]

I certainly don't think Frolik earned his contract last season.

Just because we payed proper market value doesn't make it a good contract .

Everyone is so quick to praise almost every contract that Trev gives out as good . So far the only one where the player has outperformed is Brodie IMO

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

And what did Frolik show us last season to be worth 4.3 million!

0.5 point per game player, one of only two forwards to be on the right side of the plus minus stat on a bad team last year. Strong two way game, kills penalties and is consistent. Very quietly one of our best forwards by a long shot. He needs to be healthier, but his contract looks very solid based on what he contributed when he played last year.

[Ashasx]

Frolik was projected to get a lot more than what he signed for. It's a great deal.

[Jason14h]

Unless somehow you believe he took less to sign with Calgary , no it's not s great deal . It is exactly what the market felt he was worth . He was a UFA

[The Fonz]

If Colborne is going to cost 3M going forward, then the Flames need to trade him.
I'm not convinced that he's a top 6 forward, and teams get killed cap-wise when they overpay the bottom half of their roster.

I don't believe we'll be a contender with contracts like Colborne (3.5), Stajan (3.2), Raymond (3.15), Bollig (1.3), Smid (3.5), and Engellend (3) on the books. I'm quickly becoming of the opinion that players are either consistent high end NHL talent, or they're expendable, and they need to be paid accordingly. There are no shortage of guys like Hathaway, Nakladal, Grant, etc, toiling away in lesser leagues, and they'd gladly take league minimum if it meant a 1-way NHL contract.

On a somewhat related note, if Josh Jooris gets more than 800k from this team, I'm going to snap. I don't care that his qualifying offer is around 1M... he is the definition of expendable. He's the type of player that should be on a league minimum contract, as there is a line of guys behind him who would gladly play for that, and they'd play just as well.