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MisterJoji · 11-21-2016, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Envitro

Agreed. I've been advocating for a "delay of game" penalty on failed challenges since the beginning. It just makes more sense, and it's actually a bigger punishment than the loss of a timeout.

Absolutely. You won't get all these "what the hell, let's give it a shot" reviews hoping for an offsides after a goal, if it will put you shorthanded if you're wrong.

FireGilbert · 01-17-2017, 09:34 PM

Bumped after the ridiculousness against Florida tonight.

The offside challenge has to be the stupidest rule in NHL history. It makes the crease rule look well thought out in comparison. Being offside by a mm has zero effect on a goal being scored and these calls should be left to the discretion of the linesmen.

It also annoys me that the system takes away goals because of a missed call but there is no recourse if a missed call that wasn't offside takes away a scoring chance. If they want to continue this way why not just get rid of the linesman and review every single goal for offside.

I can't wait til a team inevitably gets Buffaloed in the playoffs on a missed offside in OT and the NHL quietly removes the rule the next season.

codynw · 01-17-2017, 09:37 PM

Using a microscope to tell if a guy is half a millimeter offside or has his skate in the air to take away otherwise good goal is definitely something a league that claims to want to increase scoring should be doing.

TheScorpion · 01-17-2017, 09:38 PM

Hate it. Always have hated it.

dissentowner · 01-17-2017, 09:40 PM

The rule was put in for clearly missed offsides that lead to a goal and coaches have taken advantage of it and it has gotten beyond ridiculous. Scrap it.

Kswiss · 01-17-2017, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FireGilbert

Bumped after the ridiculousness against Florida tonight.

The offside challenge has to be the stupidest rule in NHL history. It makes the crease rule look well thought out in comparison. Being offside by a mm has zero effect on a goal being scored and these calls should be left to the discretion of the linesmen.

It also annoys me that the system takes away goals because of a missed call but there is no recourse if a missed call that wasn't offside takes away a scoring chance. If they want to continue this way why not just get rid of the linesman and review every single goal for offside.

I can't wait til a team inevitably gets Buffaloed in the playoffs on a missed offside in OT and the NHL quietly removes the rule the next season.

I really think this rule is too stupid that it will be gone no matter what. Man this rule is so stupid.

MisterJoji · 01-17-2017, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kswiss

I really think this rule is too stupid that it will be gone no matter what. Man this rule is so stupid.

I think there is a place for offside reviews when there's a blatant infraction that is missed. I also think the punishment for when the "what the hell, let's give it a shot" review is unsuccessful is too lenient. They lose their timeout, big whoop. An unsuccessful challenge should result in a 2 minute delay of game penalty. Then let's see how many coaches still try these stupid reviews. Bet they go way down.

Kswiss · 01-17-2017, 09:53 PM

I just find that if penalites can be missed, then why can't offsides. If either of those are missed it can affect the game in a huge way, so either get rid of both, or make missed penalties challengable as well.

automaton 3 · 01-17-2017, 09:55 PM

The skate off the ice criteria is really dumb and hopefully the league fixes this asap.

Agree with those saying there should be a delay of game penalty if unsuccessful.

Resolute 14 · 01-17-2017, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kswiss

I really think this rule is too stupid that it will be gone no matter what. Man this rule is so stupid.

This rule won't be gone until it costs Toronto or Chicago a big game.

The rules need to be changed, badly. But our game wasn't even the worst calls tonight. Nashville had one called back for the asinine intent to blow rule, by a referee who called it a goal on the ice.

taxbuster · 01-17-2017, 09:58 PM

I'm OK with an offside challenge on a goal like Bouma's - directly off the rush and a shot coming right away. But as soon as the shot's been taken, that's it for me. Anything beyond that, the other team has had time to make a play, so it stands from that point forward.

So Freddie's goal would have been OK, Bouma's not.

FireGilbert · 01-17-2017, 10:01 PM

There is nothing wrong with the offiside rule and needing to keep your skate on the ice. That is the way it has always been called. The problem is now trying to determine on replay if a skate is off the ice by millimetres.

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Originally Posted by Kswiss

I really think this rule is too stupid that it will be gone no matter what. Man this rule is so stupid.

Even if they get rid of it after this season this rule is still going to cause all sorts of dramas in the playoffs.

I was actually kind of serious about getting rid of linesman all together if they are going to continue down this route. Offsides can be called by replay, icings by the refs, and have two bouncers waiting off ice in case a fight breaks out.

Cube Inmate · 01-17-2017, 10:01 PM

If they want to change the review rules, fine... but the arguments of "he was only 1 mm offside" are focused on the wrong thing. If we allow "common sense" and "officials' discretion" to be used, we'll end up with BS like the current slashing "rules."

Add a delay of game penalty. Make a "5 second" limit on reviewing...If more than 5 second before the goal, it's null and void. But IF the challenge is called, review it to the millimetre.

Kswiss · 01-17-2017, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

This rule won't be gone until it costs Toronto or Chicago a big game.

The rules need to be changed, badly. But our game wasn't even the worst calls tonight. Nashville had one called back for the asinine intent to blow rule, by a referee who called it a goal on the ice.

Yeah the intent to blow the whistle is basically, do i like your team better then the other.

codynw · 01-17-2017, 10:08 PM

I honestly think the NHL could get rid of the offside rule in general. It's in place to prevent cherry picking, and with the way the game is coached now, no player is ever going to cherry pick that deep or they'd get benched.

Jason14h · 01-17-2017, 10:19 PM

It is the same as the baserunner sliding off 2nd base by an inch that everyone challenges now.

Completely against the spirit of the rule.

We all want a blatant offside goal not to count (Well maybe not all) We don't want challenges on whether a skate blade is 1 mm off the ice

Firebot · 01-17-2017, 10:24 PM

Bouma's goal should not have counted, and should have been blown offside. Hamilton's goal happened like what, 30 seconds after Stajan's offside, and a technical offside as that? That is the problem with the rule. The coaches challenge rule for offside is there to prevent a goal like Bouma's from happening. Unfortunately, the way it's written, it's used to take away perfectly legit goals from counting. The Flames could have stayed in the offensive zone for 10 minutes and scored, and based on a technical rule, the goal would have been disallowed.

It's a bad rule the way it's written. Limit the challenge to 10 seconds max from the missed offside, or something.

flamesfan6 · 01-17-2017, 10:26 PM

the best thing is that if these goals were against us and waived off, no one here would have an issue. Heck if they counted you probably would say "why didn't we challenge that? it was offside"

The hilarious thing is that before this you all wanted this, now that they have this you don't want it.

Also now you guys are talking about having a gray area in review of of what is legal and what not, by the rulebook it's either offside (back foot off the ice) or it's onside .. that's the great thing about the offside review is that it isn't subjective ... but all of a sudden you want it to be more subjective like goaltender interference

flamesfan6 · 01-17-2017, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebot

Bouma's goal should not have counted, and should have been blown offside. Hamilton's goal happened like what, 30 seconds after Stajan's offside, and a technical offside as that? That is the problem with the rule. The coaches challenge rule for offside is there to prevent a goal like Bouma's from happening. Unfortunately, the way it's written, it's used to take away perfectly legit goals from counting. The Flames could have stayed in the offensive zone for 10 minutes and scored, and based on a technical rule, the goal would have been disallowed.

It's a bad rule the way it's written. Limit the challenge to 10 seconds max from the missed offside, or something.

the goal happened because the flames entered the zone offside... how is that a legit goal? So what if it happens 30 seconds later? If a team scores and isn't declared on the ice and play continues .. if the play continues for 5 minutes does that goal just not count? No it goes back to when the goal happens and everything since then is wiped off the existence of the planet.

flamesrule14 · 01-17-2017, 10:33 PM

I've hated the coaches challenge ever since it started. I mean yeah Bouma is offside, but let the officials make the call. No reason to be challenging everything. It's a fast game offsides like that where it's literally a mm offside will get missed. So what. I can live with imperfections in the game like that. Unfortunately replays aren't going anywhere so I hope the league looks into possibly changing the rule. Truly though I doubt the NHL does anything about it.