[Signing] Leaf sign Kadri ($4.5M) and Reilly ($5.0M) to new 6 year deals

[heep223]

This is a guy who tells someone on the ice that he's going to kill them and makes a gesture to cut his throat. With cameras all over the place and kids watching.

Defend him all you guys want but he seems like a pretty big ######bag to me. At the very least, he's got some serious maturing to do.

[Enoch Root]

I'm not a fan of giving Kadri 6 years. Once the kids move into the top 6 and Kadri is pushed down to the 3rd line (much like Backlund), his points likely drop and reflect that, at which point this contract will not look great.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by heep223

This is a guy who tells someone on the ice that he's going to kill them and makes a gesture to cut his throat. With cameras all over the place and kids watching.

Defend him all you guys want but he seems like a pretty big ######bag to me. At the very least, he's got some serious maturing to do.

To be honest, if he's helping the Flames win, I really don't care how big of a dbag he is. Phaneuf was a pretty big one, and I had no problems cheering for him when he was with the Flames.

[heep223]

That's fine. I just don't understand why there are people here trying to defend Kadri's character. Based on his behaviour is he a complete dickwad.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by curves2000

A quick glance at the thread and it doesn't seem that too many posters have made the comparison to Monahan and Kadri. Clearly Monahan is a better player and a better team mate but I can see this being a solid starting point for Monahan's deal.

The added quality of a player like Monahan is worth what? An extra mil a year? $1.3? Every market is different with different plus/minus for everyone. If you look at a contract like Barkov's at $5.9 AAV that's a contract with no state income tax.

I don't think Monahan and Kadri are at all comparable players.

For one, Kadri is a full three years older. At this point in his career, Kadri hadn't even cracked the Leafs as a full-time player, let alone anyone of any impact. And even comparing their careers since Monahan came into the league, he's clearly on a completely different level:

Kadri: 227 GP, 55 goals, 79 assists, 134 points (0.59 PPG)

Monahan: 237 GP, 80 goals, 79 assists, 159 points (0.67 PPG)

^ Again, on a player who is four years younger and trending upwards -- not to mention doesn't have the attitude and character issues Kadri has developed.

Monahan coming in at $6.5 million would almost be a discount.

[btimbit]

Kadri one won't look great toward the end imo. Fine now but I think they have or will have prospects that push him down the lineup in the next 3 years.

[Murph]

- Suspended by his own team for three games for his conduct
- Suspended for the throat slash
- Suspended for diving
- Suspended for dirty hit on Backstrom
- Suspended for dirty hit on Glendening

There's more, but I'm too lazy to post it.

Yup. Character guy.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Kadri is that skilled pest that you hate to play against. Gets under the skin, draws penalties, opposition fans hate him. Some Flames fans have been lamenting that we haven't really had this type of player since Ville Nieminen.

Useful player IMO. Sure there's some shenanigans with him but he competes hard and drives the opposition nuts. Very skilled and isn't scared to play physical. One of the best young top two line pests in the league. He could play on my team on that contract. Good signings today for TOR.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Two pages in and not one mention of the Flames comparable to Rielly.

Rielly has been picked by Peter Chiarelli and Stan Bowman to be one of the d-men on team u-24 at the world Cup.

The Flames have contracted an age eligible d-man for 750k /yr more for the same term that was not chosen for this team.

Pretty much of a glass house when critiquing the Edmonton management style of awarding long-term contracts based on potential.

Be interesting what Seth Jones and Ryan Murray (RFAs) both picked for this team over Hamilton will get.

Trouba and Lindholm agents are rumored to be using Hamilton's contract as the minimum for what these guys are worth. Will Trouba be picked to team u-24? Will he get paid more or less than Hamilton?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by heep223

This is a guy who tells someone on the ice that he's going to kill them and makes a gesture to cut his throat. With cameras all over the place and kids watching.

Defend him all you guys want but he seems like a pretty big ######bag to me. At the very least, he's got some serious maturing to do.

Being a ######bag to opponents doesn't mean he is a bad teammate / not a winner is what I am saying.

[Point Blank]

Yeah, kind of an ad hominem attack no?

Kadri is definitely a jerk no doubt but I don't think that automatically means he isn't a useful player for helping a team win.

[savemedrzaius]

Amazing signings!

It seems like Kadri is one of those guys that if he is on your team you love him, if he is on the other team you hate him.

And just judging by how he acts on the bench and how his teammates treat him, it seems like he is well-liked...but I don't spend a lot of time in the dressing room like some of you guys so I'll take your word for it that he is a cancer to the team.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Amazing signings!

It seems like Kadri is one of those guys that if he is on your team you love him, if he is on the other team you hate him.

And just judging by how he acts on the bench and how his teammates treat him, it seems like he is well-liked...but I don't spend a lot of time in the dressing room like some of you guys so I'll take your word for it that he is a cancer to the team.

Yeah, nice jab after making an non-existant connection. His on ice actions are those of a complete tool bag, surely that isn't in question? His character is pretty clear, but this being hockey, coaches, fans and players love a ###### bag. Hell, we were loving it when Garnet Hathaway started rubbing opposition players up the wrong way and when Michael Ferland started laying out people and taking names. But who here said that he was a cancer on the Leafs? Oh yeah, nobody.

You want him on your team, great, congrats. But please don't defend the blokes character, his actions this season are evidence enough to prove what a moron he is. That doesn't bother his coaches or team mates, great. But it doesn't change the fact that he's a tool.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Amazing signings!

It seems like Kadri is one of those guys that if he is on your team you love him, if he is on the other team you hate him.

And just judging by how he acts on the bench and how his teammates treat him, it seems like he is well-liked...but I don't spend a lot of time in the dressing room like some of you guys so I'll take your word for it that he is a cancer to the team.

On that note, I look forward to seeing Giordano lay Kadri out for 6 more seasons.

[savemedrzaius]

A lot of people underestimate Kadri's offensive ability. His numbers aren't that great but you got to look at who he has played with for the majority of his career. Plus because the Leafs have had so much turnover he has to play with someone new every year.

2015-2016 LM1 Leo Komarov 73% LM2 JVR 39%

2014-2015 LM1 Winnik 40% LM2 Santorelli 33%

2013-2014 LM1 Lupul 53% LM2 Raymond 30%

Not exactly the greatest group.

Compare to Monahan

2015-2016 LM1 Gaudreau 86% LM2 Hudler 52%

2014-2015 LM1 Hudler 51 % LM2 Gaudreau 45%

2013-2014 LM1 Colborne 40% LM2 Hudler 40%

Monahan has a lot more consistency with who he plays with plus playing with Gaudreau is going to make a big difference on his point totals.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

nm

[Machiavelli]

I'm not a huge Kadri fan, but seriously, "character" is vastly overrated. This isn't Miss Congeniality. As long as your teammates can stand you, being a nice person is just gravy.

[Samonadreau]

Kadri at 4.5 really enforces how good Backlund's aav is at 3.5ish

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

I'm not a huge Kadri fan, but seriously, "character" is vastly overrated. This isn't Miss Congeniality. As long as your teammates can stand you, being a nice person is just gravy.

I think there is more to it than that but it's hard to define. A leader is on one side of the spectrum, and a poor teammate is on the other. Where does Kadri fall? I don't see how any fan could know but it is a real thing IMO. It's like the type A, type B person debate. There is some merit to it and it would affect the dynamics of hockey team, as a team is comrised of people, after all. I think that an inspiring teammate could increase a team's performance slightly just as a headcase might bring everyone down just a bit. I've seen a bad employee single handedly destroy morale in a department before, I think the same is possible on a hockey team, to an extent.

I will say that any time it's brought up on the internet, it's 99.9% guaranteed to be baseless speculation. How can any fan truly know? They would have to be a part of the day-to-day operations of the team.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Two pages in and not one mention of the Flames comparable to Rielly.

Rielly has been picked by Peter Chiarelli and Stan Bowman to be one of the d-men on team u-24 at the world Cup.

The Flames have contracted an age eligible d-man for 750k /yr more for the same term that was not chosen for this team.

Pretty much of a glass house when critiquing the Edmonton management style of awarding long-term contracts based on potential.

Be interesting what Seth Jones and Ryan Murray (RFAs) both picked for this team over Hamilton will get.

Trouba and Lindholm agents are rumored to be using Hamilton's contract as the minimum for what these guys are worth. Will Trouba be picked to team u-24? Will he get paid more or less than Hamilton?

Tell us how you feel about Dougie?