Most valuable player on the Hawks

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Toews has an identical .87 PPG in both the regular season and playoffs. Hardly steps it up.

Crosby I'll give you his production drops from 1.32 to 1.18 but that's still a significant difference from .87.

Yes the stats were a lot closer than I had anticipated, my bad on that one. I definitely think Crosby is the best player in the league, but I still feel Toews isn't that far behind

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Kane.
Toews is THE most overrated player in the NHL.

No...that would be, and has been for years, Phil Kessel.

Just ask those who play the game.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Relatively speaking, this is probably true. Toews' proper opposite number is probably Patrice Bergeron, and everybody's always astonished when that dude makes the Olympic team. Nobody would say Bergeron is better than Crosby, or that you'd build a team around Bergeron first.

They say that about Toews.

Bergeron might be the most underrated player in the league.




For me it's Keith, mainly because I think the team would suffer most if he were removed. Toews and Keith have each other and some other great forwards to help carry the load. Seabrook and Hjarma would be a very solid 1/2 for almost any team, but I think the Hawks are a lot less likely to win a cup w/o Keith than if they missed Toews or Kane.

IMO There is no way Keith is not a top 5 D-man in the league. You might be able to make an argument to take one of the guys from the third tier ahead of him, but not two.

Doughty
Keith/Weber/Karlsson
OEL/Hedman/Subban/Pietrangelo/Vlasic/Gio/Brodie/Letang/Suter/Burns

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

Crosby is normally a 100 point guy who drops to a PPG player in the playoffs. Toews is normally a 60 point guy who jumps to a PPG player in the playoffs.

Crosby just doesn't perform in the playoffs like he does in the regular season, while Toews steps it up every time

Oh come on. He has the 5th highest PPG in NHL history. It's a little easier for him to drop than for Toews to increase his scoring. You're holding his great performance against him.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Bergeron might be the most underrated player in the league.




For me it's Keith, mainly because I think the team would suffer most if he were removed. Toews and Keith have each other and some other great forwards to help carry the load. Seabrook and Hjarma would be a very solid 1/2 for almost any team, but I think the Hawks are a lot less likely to win a cup w/o Keith than if they missed Toews or Kane.

IMO There is no way Keith is not a top 5 D-man in the league. You might be able to make an argument to take one of the guys from the third tier ahead of him, but not two.

Doughty
Keith/Weber/Karlsson
OEL/Hedman/Subban/Pietrangelo/Vlasic/Gio/Brodie/Letang/Suter/Burns

I agree with this entire thing.