Will the flames make the playoffs next year?

[GullFoss]

The team has 3 second round picks, and a 1st round pick. And they probably have 15m in cap space after resigning monahan and johnny. So, there are plenty of tools, not only to make the playoffs, but to build a contender.

If the team drafts top 3, if takes care of a top 6 winger. Even if they don't $15m and 3 second round picks is enough to take care of goaltending and a top 6.

Johnny (7.5) - Monahan (6) - Ferland (1)
Stamkos (9) - Bennett (2) - Frolik (4.5)
Bouma (2) - Backlund (3.5) - Colborne (2)
Jankowski (1) - Stajan (3) - Jooris (1)
Bollig (1)

Gio (7) - Brodie (4)
Hamilton (6) - Jokipakka (1)
Wideman (5) - Nakladal (1)
Engelland (3)

Vasilevskiy (1)
Ortio (1)

Forward: 44
Defense: 27
Goalie: 2

Total: $73m

[hockey.modern]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

The team has 3 second round picks, and a 1st round pick. And they probably have 15m in cap space after resigning monahan and johnny. So, there are plenty of tools, not only to make the playoffs, but to build a contender.

If the team drafts top 3, if takes care of a top 6 winger. Even if they don't $15m and 3 second round picks is enough to take care of goaltending and a top 6.

Johnny (7.5) - Monahan (6) - Ferland (1)
Stamkos (9) - Bennett (2) - Frolik (4.5)
Bouma (2) - Backlund (3.5) - Colborne (2)
Jankowski (1) - Stajan (3) - Jooris (1)
Bollig (1)

Gio (7) - Brodie (4)
Hamilton (6) - Jokipakka (1)
Wideman (5) - Nakladal (1)
Engelland (3)

Vasilevskiy (1)
Ortio (1)

Forward: 44
Defense: 27
Goalie: 2

Total: $73m

Unless I'm completely missing something, where did this extra $15m come from after signing Gaudreau and Monahan?

[GC91]

This question can't be addressed until the goaltending situation is dealt with. Solid goaltending could have had this team in the playoffs. That might not have been the best scenario for this franchise right now. I'm kind of excited at the possibilities of bringing in another high end draft pick and fixing the goaltending situation within the next two years. I think this team is only a few small moves away from being a lottery team to becoming a perennial playoff team. Few years away from contending though for sure

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I've lost confidence in BT for not addressing the goalie situation earlier in the year and essentially blowing the season.

Who should he have traded for and what would you stomach him giving up?

It's pretty easy to criticize but what do you think he should've done? Trade a 1st for Jones/Lehner? Just grab a different mediocre goalie? Bring Kiprusoff out of retirement?

You make it sound like he didn't feel like addressing the situation but the reality is that there likely wasn't anything available that wasn't a marginal upgrade, that didn't cost an arm and a leg.

The team is still re-building, I don't think Treliving should have to apologize for not acquiring a top 10 goalie during his second off season on the job.

[GC91]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Who should he have traded for and what would you stomach him giving up?

It's pretty easy to criticize but what do you think he should've done? Trade a 1st for Jones/Lehner? Just grab a different mediocre goalie? Bring Kiprusoff out of retirement?

You make it sound like he didn't feel like addressing the situation but the reality is that there likely wasn't anything available that wasn't a marginal upgrade, that didn't cost an arm and a leg.

The team is still re-building, I don't think Treliving should have to apologize for not acquiring a top 10 goalie during his second off season on the job.

100 percent agree. There wasn't much options out there to address this situation right now... And kind of pointless considering the status of the franchise. It's a process to build a contender. Stay on coarse

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Unless I'm completely missing something, where did this extra $15m come from after signing Gaudreau and Monahan?

Ramo (4)
Hiller (4)
Hudler (4)
Jones (4)
Smid (4)
Russell (3)
Total is 23

Plus 1m spare cap space coming into the season. Plus savings from burying raymond. Monahan and jonny already had ~2m in cap hits each i think. So its an extra ~9m btwn the two of them to get monahan up to 6m and johnny up to 7.

23+1-9 = 15m

Calgary is a legitimate option for stamkos imo.

[GC91]

Stamkos does not want to come to Calgary. Wouldn't get my hopes up for that

[hockey.modern]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Ramo (4)
Hiller (4)
Hudler (4)
Jones (4)
Smid (4)
Russell (3)
Total is 23

Plus 1m spare cap space coming into the season. Plus savings from burying raymond. Monahan and jonny already had ~2m in cap hits each i think. So its an extra ~9m btwn the two of them to get monahan up to 6m and johnny up to 7.

23+1-9 = 15m

Calgary is a legitimate option for stamkos imo.

I'm really not understanding how $9 million between them equals 6M+7M. Following your same format it goes like this:

Ramo (4)
Hiller (4)
Hudler (4)
Jones (4)
Smid (4)
Russell (3)
Total is 23

Smid might be back, but again i'll use your guidelines.

Gaudreau: $8M
Monahan: $6.5M
Total = $14.5M

23M-14.5M = $8.5M

Sign a 1A goalie that will probably want $4M and your left with $4.5M. No room for Stamkos at all.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

I'm really not understanding how $9 million between them equals 6M+7M. Following your same format it goes like this:



Smid might be back, but again i'll use your guidelines.

Gaudreau: $8M
Monahan: $6.5M
Total = $14.5M

23M-14.5M = $8.5M

Sign a 1A goalie that will probably want $4M and your left with $4.5M. No room for Stamkos at all.

Also don't forget the Gio $2.73M raise!

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

I'm really not understanding how $9 million between them equals 6M+7M. Following your same format it goes like this:



Smid might be back, but again i'll use your guidelines.

Gaudreau: $8M
Monahan: $6.5M
Total = $14.5M

23M-14.5M = $8.5M

Sign a 1A goalie that will probably want $4M and your left with $4.5M. No room for Stamkos at all.

Youre forgetting to subtract the $2m cap hits they each have this year from your 14.5m salary number...their getting paid 14.5m combined, buts its only a raise of 10.5m

Ive been told though the grapevine that Smid will not be back due to his injury.

Also, i dont think the flames should be spending cap on a goalie next year becaude there isnt anyone proven. If we spend 4m on a goalie like riemer and give him term...what happens if he turns into hiller? I think its better to give up a couple second round picks and take a chance on either of the young (and cap friendly) goalies in tampa or pitsburgh

[Jason14h]

The issue with your proposal is the goalies .

We could afford stamkos with 2 one million goalies in net . But that's almost certain disaster unless we believe Ortio in a number 1. Which I don't

[hockey.modern]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Youre forgetting to subtract the $2m cap hits they each have this year from your 14.5m salary number...their getting paid 14.5m combined, buts its only a raise of 10.5m

Ive been told though the grapevine that Smid will not be back due to his injury.

Also, i dont think the flames should be spending cap on a goalie next year becaude there isnt anyone proven. If we spend 4m on a goalie like riemer and give him term...what happens if he turns into hiller? I think its better to give up a couple second round picks and take a chance on either of the young (and cap friendly) goalies in tampa or pitsburgh

I still don't get this quote:

Youre forgetting to subtract the $2m cap hits they each have this year from your 14.5m salary number...their getting paid 14.5m combined, buts its only a raise of 10.5m

This year they make a total of $1,850,000 together on their ELC. When they get they're new contracts, it has nothing to do with what they made before. Yes, that they make a raise of 10.5M together, but you don't subtract 2M from the previous year. It's a whole new contract. There isn't anyone proven on the market? Andersen, Elliot, Reimer etc.

If we spend 4m on a goalie like riemer and give him term...what happens if he turns into hiller? I think its better to give up a couple second round picks and take a chance on either of the young (and cap friendly) goalies in tampa or pitsburgh

What happens if those goalies turn into Hiller as well? They are way more unproven then guys on the market. Plus, I highly doubt teams are willing to trade up their upcoming goalies with a possible expansion draft.

[Jason14h]

ELCs have bonuses that count against the cap . Up to 3.5 million total a tease I believe

[alan21]

There's little incentive for Lucic to come here as a few people have speculated unless we overpay. Everyone in here would be complaining his anchor of a contract by game 10 in the first year of his multi year deal.

[Erick Estrada]

Anything is possible but for playoffs to happen I believe the starting goaltender would have to be really, really good and I don't mean NHL average.

[Hockey]

If you guys get decent goaltending then yes.

[spuzzum]

I voted no. Good foundational core moving forward but too many glaring holes and team statistics. We've all mentioned it:

-Solid goaltender
-Dramatic improvement in PP and PK
-Supplementary scoring and depth
-Not as urgently needed: Getting bigger

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Hockey

If you guys get decent goaltending then yes.

This guy gets it. If this team can post a SLIGHTLY above average team sv% of .915, that alone will shave about 50 goals off the GA, giving the Flames a positive goal differential and put them right in the mix for a playoff spot IMO.

If the team acquires both an average starting and a top 6 forward, the playoffs are very, very likely. Teams like Minnesota, San Jose and Nashville aren't markedly better than Calgary, the Flames are a decent goalie goalie away from being on even footing with them. Add in a top 6 forward and internal improvement from guys like Bennett and Hamilton, and the Flames are BETTER than those teams IMO.

For as delusional the Oilers fans are about their team in a positive direction, the Flames fanbase seems almost the same way, just in a negative way. It's like we're trying to overcompensate for their brazen arrogance or something. As far as fanbases go, we are the frickin' Eeyore of the NHL.

[Demetric]

If they win enough games yes. If not no.

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[CliffFletcher]

Doubt it. There are too many holes to patch with the money Treliving will have at his disposal. While I think the team will improve internally, it will probably still fall short. Hartley's message and methods are getting stale at this point.

And while the goaltending has been bad this season, a lot of other stuff has gone really well. Gaudreau and Monahan have played as well as we could hope. The team has been quite healthy. A team as top-heavy as the Flames is very vulnerable to injuries.