Gaudreau has no plans to leave Calgary anytime soon

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Half the deal is for RFA years - no way the AAV is that high.

If half the deal is RFA then the other half is UFA. Don't be surprised when the last couple seasons push over the 10/year mark.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Does it really matter at this point? He's a top 10 scorer in the league. He's worth what he's worth and the team needs to pay him accordingly. How do you justify his AAV being any lower when he's producing like he is compared to his peers?

Yes it matters a lot. The CBA exists for a reason. RFA and UFA status are among the most important items to be negotiated. And the reason is because UFAs make more money.

Teams control their budgets with RFAs. Simply throwing that away and saying 'pay him whatever' is how you destroy your franchise's competitiveness.

[heep223]

From the Brodie, Gio, Frolik and Hamilton contracts, I have 100% confidence that Treliving will get something reasonable done that's fair for both sides.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes it matters a lot. The CBA exists for a reason. RFA and UFA status are among the most important items to be negotiated. And the reason is because UFAs make more money.

Teams control their budgets with RFAs. Simply throwing that away and saying 'pay him whatever' is how you destroy your franchise's competitiveness.

So you think the 7.5 aav is too high. What do you think he is worth then?

[CalgaryFan1988]

I hope it's a bridge contract that's followed by an 8 year one.

By the time the bridge contract is up, he'll most likely have roots in Calgary and never want to leave.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I hope it's a bridge contract that's followed by an 8 year one.

By the time the bridge contract is up, he'll most likely have roots in Calgary and never want to leave.

not gonna happen, he will be top 10 in NHL scoring in his second year in the league...7.5-8.5M

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by saillias

So you think the 7.5 aav is too high. What do you think he is worth then?

Those are your words.

At the beginning of the year, I was arguing for about $6.5 - $6.75M AAV.

Now, with a PPG season behind him, I think he gets between $7M and $7.5M

[djsFlames]

If he's talking about raising his own family at some point, he'll want stability. Both sides probably looking for the longest term solution here.

[MrMastodonFarm]

I wouldn't be against a 2-3 year deal either. Three gives you plenty of time to still talk long term deal after and is far enough from UFA status that no one gets jumpy.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Those are your words.

At the beginning of the year, I was arguing for about $6.5 - $6.75M AAV.

Now, with a PPG season behind him, I think he gets between $7M and $7.5M

I was basing that off you saying about 5 posts up to SP you'd take the "under" of 7.5, but ok.

[Enoch Root]

The reason I would be agaisnt a 2 or 3 year deal is that, now that he has had a PPG season, I don't think you'd save a whole lot.

If we were talking a bridge deal of $2.5 - $3M AAV, then great.

But I think he would get close $5 on a 2 year deal, and more than that on a 3 year deal. So what's the point?

I think that with the talk of the cap being flat without the escalator, this might be a good time to be locking in long-term deals.

[Harry Lime]

To be fair, 7.0 to 7.5 is all but technically 'under'. I actually see this as the landing point as well. I don't think that there will be a number that will send him too far out from what his peers on the rest of the team are making.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by saillias

I was basing that off you saying about 5 posts up to SP you'd take the "under" of 7.5, but ok.

Yes, I said "at least $1M off" (from $8.5M) and "I'll take the under" (on $7.5M)

And I just said $7M - $7.5M

I don't see an issue here.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Ok. How about a sig bet. You make mine if you win, I make yours if I win

Sig bets are so 1996. Pube bet uploaded to YouTube is the only way to go.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I wouldn't be against a 2-3 year deal either. Three gives you plenty of time to still talk long term deal after and is far enough from UFA status that no one gets jumpy.

If he keeps playing the way he is, you're probably looking at $10m+ on his next contract if they sign him to a bridge deal. Pretty much the exact situation Montreal had with with PK Subban (except without the super cheap bridge deal Montreal got). Hopefully the Flames avoid that, it would likely mean forfeiting $2m-$3m in cap space right as the team is hopefully transitioning into a contender.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Seriously, the only way that makes sense is if the Flames are a cup contender next year. They won't be. Bridge deals should be reserved for teams like the Lightning and Blackhawks, who are going to have a good shot at a cup run throughout the term of the deal and can use the AAV saved to improve that shot.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, I said "at least $1M off" (from $8.5M) and "I'll take the under" (on $7.5M)

And I just said $7M - $7.5M

I don't see an issue here.

None, was just wondering what your target is, like aav and term.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Seriously, the only way that makes sense is if the Flames are a cup contender next year. They won't be. Bridge deals should be reserved for teams like the Lightning and Blackhawks, who are going to have a good shot at a cup run throughout the term of the deal and can use the AAV saved to improve that shot.

There is a benefit to a 4 year deal in the big picture...

Scenario A: Sign 8Y deal
Gaudreau Ages 23 to 30 UFA
Next contract 8Y takes him to 38 as you can rarely escape the push for term on UFA deals. Not sure how effective a 38YO Johnny would be.

Scenario B: Sign 4Y Deal
Gaudreau Ages 23 to 26 RFA
Next contract 8Y takes him to age 34.

A 35 year old Gaudreau if he's still effective can be Lidstrom'd on shorter term deals as long as he's effective.

Depends how realistically you see Johnny Hockey playing his career here, I suppose.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

There is a benefit to a 4 year deal in the big picture...

Scenario A: Sign 8Y deal
Gaudreau Ages 23 to 30 UFA
Next contract 8Y takes him to 38 as you can rarely escape the push for term on UFA deals. Not sure how effective a 38YO Johnny would be.

Scenario B: Sign 4Y Deal
Gaudreau Ages 23 to 26 RFA
Next contract 8Y takes him to age 34.

I want as many years as possible now, we can worry about how effective Johnny is in his 30s when the time comes. An 8 year contract is perfect. It gobbles up all his prime years and locks him in at a reasonable rate.

[Vinny01]

8x8 has a nice ring to it. I prefer less but would be totally fine with that as the number.

Great for this kid to go from 4th round pick where everyone questioned his size to getting paid $60+M all in a 5 year span. He deserves it though this is a special talent and fantastic player