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[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by druetetective

If we win the lottery and Ari gets the 2nd I'd listen.

Christian Fischer is exactly the prospect the Flames need. 6'2 215 pound power forward with elite skating and shot who has a mean streak and plays RW to boot. Draft +1 totals of 37 G 89 P in 63gp.

I think he more than makes up for the gap between Matthews and Laine. I don't like Puljujarvi as much so idk if I'd do that one. Seems like the Flames rank them closely however.

I might be crazy but I don't do the deal unless Strome is on the table with the 2nd pick. Arizona is going to be extremely motivated to get Matthews he could save the franchise in that market.

I don't think it is worth it to trade down for anything less than an overpayment.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I might be crazy but I don't do the deal unless Strome is on the table with the 2nd pick. Arizona is going to be extremely motivated to get Matthews he could save the franchise in that market.

I don't think it is worth it to trade down for anything less than an overpayment.

They aren't giving away last year's 3rd overall pick just to get Matthews, nor do I think that the other team would expect it. It would be their 1st+2nd+B prospect or something like that. There's a reason these kinds of deals never happen.

[saillias]

I don't understand why some parts of this fanbase are so enamored with trading down. Most of the proposals are ho-hum. This franchise has a history of shooting itself in the foot with trading down in the 1st, so why so eager to repeat that mistake?

If we're going to be the first team to trade the 1st overall in 13 years it better be an overpayment. Not some Klimchuk 2.0 and a 2nd.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I might be crazy but I don't do the deal unless Strome is on the table with the 2nd pick. Arizona is going to be extremely motivated to get Matthews he could save the franchise in that market.

I don't think it is worth it to trade down for anything less than an overpayment.

you are not crazy...I wouldn't even do that deal for sure

when one guy is on top for so long this always happens, people try their best to see flaws in the #1 and pump up the others.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I might be crazy but I don't do the deal unless Strome is on the table with the 2nd pick. Arizona is going to be extremely motivated to get Matthews he could save the franchise in that market.

I don't think it is worth it to trade down for anything less than an overpayment.

ARI has multiple top prospects and young players, not just Strome. They can overpay without including Strome. I would think we'd rather have a winger from them would we?

Some combination of Anthony Duclair, Christian Fischer, Conor Garland, Christian Dvorak and picks would tempt me.

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-top-5...pects-1.436669

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by saillias

I don't understand why some parts of this fanbase are so enamored with trading down. Most of the proposals are ho-hum. This franchise has a history of shooting itself in the foot with trading down in the 1st, so why so eager to repeat that mistake?

If we're going to be the first team to trade the 1st overall in 13 years it better be an overpayment. Not some Klimchuk 2.0 and a 2nd.

Exactly. Unless it's Duclair or Fischer, just keep the pick.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

This talk of potentially trading away the franchise's first ever 1OA is surprising to me. If the Flames do win the right to draft Matthews, I would peg the odds at less than 1% that they trade it away. There is simply too much potential to have such a move blow up in your face. Matthews and McDavid would be with division rivals and we would be left with a bunch of lesser parts. No thanks, lets just find another way to get a bunch of lesser parts.

[Poe969]

If it only takes a slight over payment to get the first overall, the Flames should look at trading up...odds are that whatever team gets first overall would want more than our first round pick and some scraps. I doubt the Flames would want to give up Bennett plus their first rounder to get the first overall.

[killer_carlson]

If Arizona wants to trade up, i'm looking at OEL with salary retained.

Doesn't make a lot of sense from a hockey perspective, but the value of Matthews in the Arizona marketplace will strongly encourage a non-hockey trade. Especially if it is floated out there that the Coyotes have the chance to trade to get the local product. Easy marketing story to transition from Doan to Mathews over the course of Doan's final contract....

So I'd leverage it extremely hard but that is who I would want.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

They aren't giving away last year's 3rd overall pick just to get Matthews, nor do I think that the other team would expect it. It would be their 1st+2nd+B prospect or something like that. There's a reason these kinds of deals never happen.

That's the thing if they want Matthews as badly as I think they do then they need to give up Strome who is their top prospect. It is a huge price to pay but that is what I would be comfortable with Trelivinng doing.

If all they offered was their 1st, the Rangers 1st, and a meh prospect then we take Matthews

If they want the only 1st overall pick Calgary has ever had as well as the only first overall pick born and raised in Arizona then it will cost them their number 3 pick last year and their top pick this year. Also if they draft 6-8th then I don't think I do the trade

[TheScorpion]

If we got first overall, could we possibly get Duclair + 'Yotes 1st for it?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

This talk of potentially trading away the franchise's first ever 1OA is surprising to me. If the Flames do win the right to draft Matthews, I would peg the odds at less than 1% that they trade it away. There is simply too much potential to have such a move blow up in your face. Matthews and McDavid would be with division rivals and we would be left with a bunch of lesser parts. No thanks, lets just find another way to get a bunch of lesser parts.

Yep. Unless it's a major overpayment, you definitely keep that 1OA.

I'd be slightly worried about the log jam of high end C's though because I really don't want any of Monahan or Bennett traded, but I don't think it's wise to keep either of them at wing or utilize them in a 3rd line C role.

Of course, this is all hypothetical and I truly deep down believe we won't get 1OA. Who knows, it might be for the best.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

That's the thing if they want Matthews as badly as I think they do then they need to give up Strome who is their top prospect. It is a huge price to pay but that is what I would be comfortable with Trelivinng doing.

If all they offered was their 1st, the Rangers 1st, and a meh prospect then we take Matthews

If they want the only 1st overall pick Calgary has ever had as well as the only first overall pick born and raised in Arizona then it will cost them their number 3 pick last year and their top pick this year. Also if they draft 6-8th then I don't think I do the trade

That's why I think this won't happen. Do they want Matthews? Sure they do. He's awesome and he's local, it's a no-brainer. I just don't think they would ever pay that high of a price. They aren't going to do something that potentially makes them worse because of marketing.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

ARI has multiple top prospects and young players, not just Strome. They can overpay without including Strome. I would think we'd rather have a winger from them would we?

Some combination of Anthony Duclair, Christian Fischer, Conor Garland, Christian Dvorak and picks would tempt me.

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-top-5...pects-1.436669

When it comes to prospects I am not looking at need moreso I want the BPA. Strome is by far their best prospect and even though we have Monahan and Bennett I wouldn't shy away from adding a 6'3 centre.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

That's why I think this won't happen. Do they want Matthews? Sure they do. He's awesome and he's local, it's a no-brainer. I just don't think they would ever pay that high of a price. They aren't going to do something that potentially makes them worse because of marketing.

I think that is a very fair opinion. The one reason I think they would consider it is because Strome has not played for them yet. I can't see them moving OEL, Domi, or Duclair as they are mainstays with the team. To add a homegrown superstar to a market that struggles would be very appealing.

You are probably right and that price is too high but it would be the only thing I would even consider if I was Treliving. There is no doubt Matthews would bring interest to that team and for a struggling market like that I see the appeal from ownership.

It is such a hypothetical though and so much would need to happen for this to even be considered. Flames have to win the top pick and the Coyotes have to win the 2 or 3 pick

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

That's why I think this won't happen. Do they want Matthews? Sure they do. He's awesome and he's local, it's a no-brainer. I just don't think they would ever pay that high of a price. They aren't going to do something that potentially makes them worse because of marketing.

I agree with this.

What nobody has touched on is potentially giving a division rival a cornerstone franchise player. If I was Treliving I wouldn't be willing to help the Coyotes out unless they cripple themselves in the process.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I agree with this.

What nobody has touched on is potentially giving a division rival a cornerstone franchise player. If I was Treliving I wouldn't be willing to help the Coyotes out unless they cripple themselves in the process.

Yep, does anyone really want to play a Coyotes team with Matthews/Strome down the middle? I don't.

[Stud_McCool]

Can the Flames and Oilers swap first round picks the day of the lottery? That'd be a neat way to test our luck.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Exactly. Unless it's Duclair or Fischer, just keep the pick.

Sorry what's enticing about either? B level prospect and guy with 19.8% shooting percentage in his rookie year. I'd pass and counter with Strome. In this hypothetical with the 1st overall, gimme a top asset or don't bother

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Yep, does anyone really want to play a Coyotes team with Matthews/Strome down the middle? I don't.

That is why I only do the deal if Strome is on the table and the Yotes have a Fin pick. I would give up Matthews for Strome+Fin. Flames get a top winger and top prospect from a draft where they traded their pick and the Yotes get their hometown superstar.