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[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

As a general rule I despise NIMBYism, but I think it's unfair to put this all on "rich white people" in Bayview or Pumphill, everyone everywhere does it.

True. But NIMBYs with money are a lot more likely to get their way in the end, and these guys have money. They've hired Rick Donkers, paid for signs, and their printed material looks as polished as the stuff you see in prime ministerial election campaigns.

[4X4]

Heard them on the radio today. They did make a couple of reasonable points. First is the parking situation. It would be pretty annoying if suddenly you had to fight to park at your house because they built a hub right there.

The other thing that one guy said that I thought was reasonable is that they haven't clarified whether this will mean the end of the buses that got to the LRT stations. Or exactly how those routes will be altered.

Besides those issues, sounds kinda nimby to me.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by GGG

It depends if the pipe is under the road right now or not? If it isn't under the road right now it wouldn't have to be designed for crossing traffic.

Yes you could slab the whole thing but it would more than double the cost of the project. It's a reasonable question to ask and the project engineers should be able to provide an immediate and credible answer to the concern.

The way he's doing it is fear mongering but I would like an answer to the question of has impacts to the pipeline design been considered in the estimate for this project. I've seen it missed before in stuff I've worked on.

It depends on the depth of cover. If the depth of cover is more than 0.8 meter (3 feet), the pipeline generally has no problem to any sort of traffic.

When we talk about a bus that's 45,000 lbs (no idea if real number just from earlier in thread), and probably a third of that for per axle (15,000 lbs) and divided by 2 because of the wheels, this is a trivial weight. A lot of road crossing calculations that I've done assume axle weights of up to 30,000 kg or more because the majority of pipelines are under farmer's fields, where heavy machinery is used (ie. full grain trucks on a gravel unpaved road, cement mixers or whatever).

Without knowing anything about the pipeline and the site, it sounds very hand-wavey, but API 1102 provides guidance for this type of calculation. It's quite a simple calculation that the project engineers can and should perform. If I were the project managers, I'd just do the calculation to placate the masses, but any steel pipeline in north america built inside of a city can easily support a bus, even if it's right under the road (which it won't be, considering a road itself is generally 100-200mm thick).

[DirtyMike]

One thing I haven't seen discussed much about this project is the rumoured off-market (low income) housing that is to be built in the areas serviced by the BRT line. Not sure if the rumour is true, but the BRT might help these people get around better. I can't imagine the Mercedes owners in the SW would be happy to have these developments though. If there are indeed plans to build low income housing (I've heard in the area between Heritage and 90th specifically), the city is going about it in a very sneaky manner.

As for NIMBYism, I actually like it. I think NIMBYism shows that people care about their neighbourhoods and city, and spirited discussion can help alter projects to meet the demands of the people most impacted. This project included. It would look even worse IMO if no one showed up to these town hall meetings.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by DirtyMike

As for NIMBYism, I actually like it. I think NIMBYism shows that people care about their neighbourhoods and city, and spirited discussion can help alter projects to meet the demands of the people most impacted. This project included. It would look even worse IMO if no one showed up to these town hall meetings.

If they care about their neighborhoods and the city, then the SW BRT is a no brainer.

NIMBYism shows they only care about themselves and their property values. Understandable, but misguided.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The owner of Glenmore Landing will be ticketing and towing those people in short order. As you say, that place is chronically short on parking, and they aren't going to idly stand by and let people keep legitimate customers away from their businesses.

The misinformation out there is pretty bad. I overheard a few people talking about it. One guy was trying to get people to sign a petition saying that Glenmore landing will be torn down to turn into a parking lot for this.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

I hadn't been to my parents in house in Bayview for a while but going there on the weeknd there were a lot of anti-BRT lawn signs. Pretty funny. I wish people would just straight up say they don't want to put up with contruction instead of the disingenious arguments they use.

As a general rule I despise NIMBYism, but I think it's unfair to put this all on "rich white people" in Bayview or Pumphill, everyone everywhere does it. The knob hill or whatever community association was all up in arms about a much need Crowchild-Bow Trail expansion and said their solution was for more people to take the train. I laugh everytime I read an opinion to the paper about someone in the Northeast complaining about airplane noise.

If you want the convenience of living in a big city next to your job and all the amenities that come with it you have to accept that a city is not static and things will change. Other people sacrificed their homes (Glenmore expansion, etc) for the city to accomodate 1 million people and now you have to sacrifice too. Or like someone said, move out to the country.

OK I will say it - I don't want to put up with construction, so the guy in Cedabrae can get downtown faster. That's the tradeoff of living in Cedabrae - you get a cheap house close to Fish Creek and the Reservoir, but it's a pain in the arse to get places. It's not like people moved to Cedabrae and were surprised to learn they are not 5 minutes from downtown.
Why would you expect anyone in Bayview or Pump Hill to NOT complain about this project? At best they won't suffer unduly - that's the most you can say. So, yeah, they will fight it. There will be the PITA of construction along 14th which is already a major PITA as far as roads go. They will chop down all the trees behind Glenmore Landing for a bus terminal, there will be parking problems. So, why would anyone expect area residents to welcome this? It would make more sense to do this after the SW ring road, which would presumably ease pressure on 14th...

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by 4X4

First is the parking situation. It would be pretty annoying if suddenly you had to fight to park at your house because they built a hub right there.

Well in advance of the Tuscany LRT station opening near me, the city sent out information about adding residential parking restrictions on our street. Our street didn't opt for it because we are a bit to far to be impacted by parking, but we had the option. Some streets did, and they had signs and permits in place before the opening of the station. The area that was offered the option to have parking restrictions was surprisingly large - if I remember correctly, it was the entire north side of Tuscany, between Crowchild and Tuscany Boulevard.

I'm sure that a residential permit system will be offered around these hubs to prevent anyone from taking up precious Benz space. And if they're not complaining about parking, I'm sure that they'll complain about the signs and the need for permits to prevent it. Complainers gonna complain.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

OK I will say it - I don't want to put up with construction, so the guy in Cedabrae can get downtown faster. That's the tradeoff of living in Cedabrae - you get a cheap house close to Fish Creek and the Reservoir, but it's a pain in the arse to get places. It's not like people moved to Cedabrae and were surprised to learn they are not 5 minutes from downtown.
Why would you expect anyone in Bayview or Pump Hill to NOT complain about this project? At best they won't suffer unduly - that's the most you can say. So, yeah, they will fight it. There will be the PITA of construction along 14th which is already a major PITA as far as roads go. They will chop down all the trees behind Glenmore Landing for a bus terminal, there will be parking problems. So, why would anyone expect area residents to welcome this? It would make more sense to do this after the SW ring road, which would presumably ease pressure on 14th...

Agreed. Stop all construction that improves the city because trees and inconvenience.

Build roads around the problem instead.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Agreed. Stop all construction that improves the city because trees and inconvenience.

Build roads around the problem instead.

Exactly. Glad my neighbours have the money to get their views across.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by DirtyMike

One thing I haven't seen discussed much about this project is the rumoured off-market (low income) housing that is to be built in the areas serviced by the BRT line. Not sure if the rumour is true, but the BRT might help these people get around better. I can't imagine the Mercedes owners in the SW would be happy to have these developments though. If there are indeed plans to build low income housing (I've heard in the area between Heritage and 90th specifically), the city is going about it in a very sneaky manner.

As for NIMBYism, I actually like it. I think NIMBYism shows that people care about their neighbourhoods and city, and spirited discussion can help alter projects to meet the demands of the people most impacted. This project included. It would look even worse IMO if no one showed up to these town hall meetings.

The old YMCA?

[Swift]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

OK I will say it - I don't want to put up with construction, so the guy in Cedabrae can get downtown faster. That's the tradeoff of living in Cedabrae - you get a cheap house close to Fish Creek and the Reservoir, but it's a pain in the arse to get places. It's not like people moved to Cedabrae and were surprised to learn they are not 5 minutes from downtown.
Why would you expect anyone in Bayview or Pump Hill to NOT complain about this project? At best they won't suffer unduly - that's the most you can say. So, yeah, they will fight it. There will be the PITA of construction along 14th which is already a major PITA as far as roads go. They will chop down all the trees behind Glenmore Landing for a bus terminal, there will be parking problems. So, why would anyone expect area residents to welcome this? It would make more sense to do this after the SW ring road, which would presumably ease pressure on 14th...

Yes, but the tradeoff of living in Bayview/Pump Hill is that you have to share the city and roads with its other peasant inhabitants. After all, it's not as if people moved to Bayview and expected empty, vehicle free roads just for them, is it?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

True. But NIMBYs with money are a lot more likely to get their way in the end, and these guys have money. They've hired Rick Donkers, paid for signs, and their printed material looks as polished as the stuff you see in prime ministerial election campaigns.

That's the beauty of all this. These aren't consultations so much as informational updates. The project is approved and is happening, no matter how loudly they scream.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Mostly due to the terrible city driving infrastructure and terribly expensive parking downtown. If those isseues were solved I would bet most people drive.

This seems like a good time to remind people that providing adequate driving infrastructure and parking for most people to drive downtown would require knocking down the very skyscrapers those people are traveling to.

[CliffFletcher]

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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Why would you expect anyone in Bayview or Pump Hill to NOT complain about this project? At best they won't suffer unduly - that's the most you can say. So, yeah, they will fight it. There will be the PITA of construction along 14th which is already a major PITA as far as roads go. They will chop down all the trees behind Glenmore Landing for a bus terminal, there will be parking problems. So, why would anyone expect area residents to welcome this?

The ring road is going to bring more traffic to my neighbourhood and destroy a beautiful and expansive dog-park where I walk every day to enjoy peace, quiet, and pristine mountain views. But you don't see me ranting and raving at civic consultation meetings. I realize that I live in a city. and cities change.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

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The ring road is going to bring more traffic to my neighbourhood and destroy a beautiful and expansive dog-park where I walk every day to enjoy peace, quiet, and pristine mountain views. But you don't see me ranting and raving at civic consultation meetings. I realize that I live in a city. and cities change.

bah edit, I came across to harsh

[pgsieve]

I saw the drawings and I'm confused.. Where is the bike lane? I can't see Nenshi getting behind this without them?

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by pgsieve

I saw the drawings and I'm confused.. Where is the bike lane? I can't see Nenshi getting behind this without them?

Because you believe Nenshi is anti-public transport or because it's the only way this tired line works?

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by pgsieve

I saw the drawings and I'm confused.. Where is the bike lane? I can't see Nenshi getting behind this without them?

Good one.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by pgsieve

I saw the drawings and I'm confused.. Where is the bike lane? I can't see Nenshi getting behind this without them?