[News] Flames recall Nakladal. Raymond assigned to Stockton. Flames activate Ferland.

[sureLoss]

Roger Millions @RogMillions
Jacub Nakladal will not be in lineup for #Flames vs Carolina this evening.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Well, hopefully next game.

[sureLoss]

Calgary Flames @NHLFlames
"It's great, I am so happy." - Jakub Nakladal on being recalled this morning

[Robbob]

Hartley not liking young players is a crock. Just recently in the dying seconds of the game he had Ferland, Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett, Hamilton, and Gio.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Hartley not liking young players is a crock. Just recently in the dying seconds of the game he had Ferland, Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett, Hamilton, and Gio.

He doesn't like young players who struggle in the NHL. I guess this is a problem for some reason. Personally I think he gives a bit too much leash sometimes, trying to get an ineffective young player going. I look at a guy like Granlund and I honestly can't understand what anyone (Hartley included) sees in him so far. To me, he's a generic 4th liner who excels at nothing, except killing penalties. I guess that's something but if he can't make a difference 5 v 5, I'm not sure he'll have much of a role here within a couple years.

[saillias]

Everyone's jimmies are going to be rustled when he doesn't get in a game (mine included).

6 healthy D, NHL caliber D, ahead of him on the depth chart. He's here as insurance, because you always keep 7 D around. But playing? That may take an injury.

[Mony]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Calgary Flames @NHLFlames
"It's great, I am so happy." - Jakub Nakladal on being recalled this morning

Look at the smile on the guy!

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Hartley not liking young players is a crock. Just recently in the dying seconds of the game he had Ferland, Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett, Hamilton, and Gio.

I guess some people forget, when Bennett was the best player for stretches and wouldn't get a shift in OT.

[FeyWest]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I guess some people forget, when Bennett was the best player for stretches and wouldn't get a shift in OT.

As much as some weren't/aren't happy about this, and maybe I'm in the minority but I never had a problem with it. When developing young players, especially when the focus is all 3 zones play, putting someone in 3-on-3 right off the bat could be counter productive. It's his first season as it is, lets not keep piling more things on the guy, he'll get his chances.

Not like we've had much problem in OT as things are... it'd be different if we were like the Nucks and just lose every single time and take the single point.

[Robbob]

Yeah, I can't argue with the way OT has been coached with the success the team has had.

I also think that Bennett is/will be slowly working his way into the OT rotation.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

He doesn't like young players who struggle in the NHL. I guess this is a problem for some reason. Personally I think he gives a bit too much leash sometimes, trying to get an ineffective young player going. I look at a guy like Granlund and I honestly can't understand what anyone (Hartley included) sees in him so far. To me, he's a generic 4th liner who excels at nothing, except killing penalties. I guess that's something but if he can't make a difference 5 v 5, I'm not sure he'll have much of a role here within a couple years.

Do me a favor and show me some generic 4th liners who put up a shade under a point per game (0.865PPG) between ages 20-22 in the AHL. Now do the same for ~5'11" second line wingers.

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Here's hoping Bob gives him more than 5mins/night.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Do me a favor and show me some generic 4th liners who put up a shade under a point per game (0.865PPG) between ages 20-22 in the AHL. Now do the same for ~5'11" second line wingers.

His AHL numbers are great but I haven't watched a second of his time in the AHL, as I don't have the time to watch that league. All I can judge is his play in the NHL so far, and I haven't been impressed, outside of his PK abilities. If he was a 25 year old on his second or third contract, I doubt he would have many supporters at all... he would basically be Paul Byron without the tenacity/hitting. He better hope he starts scoring otherwise he's trending to become a generic 4th liner/PK specialist.

What have you seen in the NHL that indicates he'll ever be more than a 20-25 point scorer? Please leave the AHL stuff out of it because I don't believe it's necessarily indicative of his NHL potential. Every time he's been up, he starts hot and then falls off the map. I'm open to being wrong about him but I just don't see a future top 9 guy in him at all.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

What have you seen in the NHL that indicates he'll ever be more than a 20-25 point scorer? Please leave the AHL stuff out of it because I don't believe it's necessarily indicative of his NHL potential. Every time he's been up, he starts hot and then falls off the map. I'm open to being wrong about him but I just don't see a future top 9 guy in him at all.

Well he's got good hockey sense and defensive positioning. This is part of the reason Hartley trusts him. He does have the shot to be a 20 goal scorer at some point in his career this season. His skating is improved and is fine.

On the downside he is small and non-physical. Which means he doesn't match up well vs other teams top centres.

I'm torn on Granlund. I don't mind his play and I think he has more upside than he's shown. But overall I think his line hasn't been as effective and I think he lacks size to be an ideal #3 centre. I question his longterm fit with Bennett, Monahan, Backlund, Grant, Jankowski, Arnold, Stajan all at centre.

If he has some value I think Treliving maybe should use him as a trade chip before next season.

All that said he's 3 times more useful than Raymond was. Raymond hurt the team, hurt his line. Granlund is capable but not impressive.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Well he's got good hockey sense and defensive positioning. This is part of the reason Hartley trusts him. He does have the shot to be a 20 goal scorer at some point in his career this season. His skating is improved and is fine.

On the downside he is small and non-physical. Which means he doesn't match up well vs other teams top centres.

I'm torn on Granlund. I don't mind his play and I think he has more upside than he's shown. But overall I think his line hasn't been as effective and I think he lacks size to be an ideal #3 centre. I question his longterm fit with Bennett, Monahan, Backlund, Grant, Jankowski, Arnold, Stajan all at centre.

If he has some value I think Treliving maybe should use him as a trade chip before next season.

All that said he's 3 times more useful than Raymond was. Raymond hurt the team, hurt his line. Granlund is capable but not impressive.

I think we need to see Granlund play some Wing before talking about shipping him off. He has every skill to develop into a Jiri Hudler.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I guess some people forget, when Bennett was the best player for stretches and wouldn't get a shift in OT.

I guess some people forget that we won almost every one of those OT games.

[gunnner]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I think we need to see Granlund play some Wing before talking about shipping him off. He has every skill to develop into a Jiri Hudler.

I am amazed how we are ready to write off a 22 year old, good penalty killer who has potential to turn into a decent scorer. He is way further ahead than Backlund was at that age in my opinion.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by gunnner

I am amazed how we are ready to write off a 22 year old, good penalty killer who has potential to turn into a decent scorer. He is way further ahead than Backlund was at that age in my opinion.

It's even more amazing that it's happening in the same thread where people are also complaining about Hartley/the Flames not giving a 'young' 28 year old defensemen enough of a chance.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Hartley just talked about Nakladal's experience and said they wouldn't hesitate to put him in at some point (paraphrasing).

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by gunnner

I am amazed how we are ready to write off a 22 year old, good penalty killer who has potential to turn into a decent scorer. He is way further ahead than Backlund was at that age in my opinion.

He might be better than Backlund at 22 (debatable), but that doesn't mean he'll continue projecting upwards. If he can't hack it at center (which it looks like he can't), he definitely won't be more valuable than Backlund when he's done developing IMO. Hoping for him to turn into a Hudler seems like an incredible long shot.

What is the most likely outcome? He's converted to wing and becomes a 50+ point top 6 forward, or he's converted to wing and becomes something less than that?

I think the odds are far greater that he's going to be a 20-30 point player than a 40-50 point guy.