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[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by pylon

The term 'mental illness' gets thrown around way too liberally nowadays in my opinion. It's almost becoming chic to have some sort of mental disorder. Having a sad day, doesn't make you clinically depressed, it's just means you are having a sad day. It's human. Mental illness is now becoming the new celiac disease. Everyone seems to be self diagnosing. it does kinda bother me, as someone who has lived through the absolute crippling effects of depression, you know the people that are playing the mental illness 'munchausen' card.

Cripes. As someone who went through some of this I would have thought you would have some empathy. On what basis are you able to diagnos someone's mental state? Sure there are probably some people that abuse the term, but what there needs to be now is more empathy not less. If that means some people get some sympathy that they don't deserve so be it.

Often people can seem to be very normal on the surface, and by the time they clearly are showing signs of mental illness - it is far too late.

To suggest it has become "chic" to have a mental illness is a very ignorant statement in my view.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Cripes. As someone who went through some of this I would have thought you would have some empathy. On what basis are you able to diagnos someone's mental state? Sure there are probably some people that abuse the term, but what there needs to be now is more empathy not less. If that means some people get some sympathy that they don't deserve so be it.

Often people can seem to be very normal on the surface, and by the time they clearly are showing signs of mental illness - it is far too late.

To suggest it has become "chic" to have a mental illness is a very ignorant statement in my view.

I'll agree my wording was poor, but it genuinely bothers me, when I hear people make stupid, uneducated statements about mental illness. "Im so OCD, my desk has to be tidy, and my iPod has to be alphabetical." No, that isn't OCD. Washing your hands until they bleed, and checking the stove, iron, and furnace 30 times for an hour before you leave the house is OCD. Making sure Bieber is before Beyoncé in your play list is not.

I'm totally ADD, because I got distracted by a cat video. No, no you are not. Losing your job because you cannot focus and cannot listen to instructions no matter how hard you try is ADD.

"I'm suffering depression because I hate my job." This is the one that bothers me. Clinical chemical depression is physically painful. It costs you your will to live, and you will spend nights fighting the urge to end your life. You don't go party it up at the pub right after work until the wee hours. You go home, stare at your wall, and cry for no bloody reason. You try and sleep every second you possibly can so you can shut your mind off.

If you have genuinely been in that dark of a place, you know, when someone is bs'ing or looking for attention. There is a genuine misunderstanding of what depression truly is. Being upset, or unhappy or not getting your way with something isn't clinical depression. And it bothers me when people think it is. It is such an incredibly misunderstood condition, I think people coining the term to describe themselves as depressed, when they are not, waters down, the importance of studying it. Because when someone feels being mildly unhappy is actual depression, they cannot understand how badly people that are genuinely afflicted by it are actually suffering.

My words were poorly chosen, I agree. But my point is valid. Once you've been there, it gives you an entirely new perpsective.

[JiriHrdina]

OK thanks for clarifying. I can see how that would be very irritating as it minimizes it. It is very similar to how people use the word "schizo".
Probably most the time, people don't mean any harm in it, but very similar to other harmful words - for someone who has experienced those things personally or through a loved one - hearing it used to describe something trivial - would be offensive.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

[Cain]

Originally Posted by pylon

"I'm suffering depression because I hate my job." This is the one that bothers me. Clinical chemical depression is physically painful. It costs you your will to live, and you will spend nights fighting the urge to end your life. You don't go party it up at the pub right after work until the wee hours. You go home, stare at your wall, and cry for no bloody reason. You try and sleep every second you possibly can so you can shut your mind off.

If you have genuinely been in that dark of a place, you know, when someone is bs'ing or looking for attention. There is a genuine misunderstanding of what depression truly is. Being upset, or unhappy or not getting your way with something isn't clinical depression. And it bothers me when people think it is. It is such an incredibly misunderstood condition, I think people coining the term to describe themselves as depressed, when they are not, waters down, the importance of studying it. Because when someone feels being mildly unhappy is actual depression, they cannot understand how badly people that are genuinely afflicted by it are actually suffering.

My words were poorly chosen, I agree. But my point is valid. Once you've been there, it gives you an entirely new perpsective.

I am hesitant to judge people who might be "abusing" it because I know that when someone pokes their head into my life asking whats up or something similar I very quickly will respond with a go to excuse that I know will be accepted at face value with little further probing...such as "work sucks and it is draining". I wouldn't necessarily judge people entirely on what they say. Someone who is in a deep depression isn't always willing to share either. There is a lot of inner turmoil/fighting/shame/guilt/you name it that is standing in the way of talking about it.

Some people abuse it for sure. People abuse everything to some point. This is one issue where it might be easy to perceive wrongly and it can be pretty damaging to lump someone who is trying to throw on a brave face or facade and think that they are just "pretending for kicks".

[AcGold]

I've got a psychology degree, mental disorders are not the new celiac disease. Mental issues are becoming more prevalent because of the inherent nature of today's societies. The human body is not meant to sustain long stretches of work and stress without proper recuperation.

If anything mental disorders in todays society are undiagnosed too often. Stress, poverty, insecurity in ones work place, lack of freedom all wear people down to the point of becoming very sick and not realizing it.

Mental disorders are so prevalent because the 40 hour work week, processed food, rush hour, high stress, hardly see our loved ones lives directly contradicts the tribal, village and communal societies from where we originated.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by homestand

Comments Kelly Hrudey about his friend,

http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/01/27...shot-by-police

Hmmm I read his Facebook and it seems they were former friends. He seemed to have a beef with Hrudey.

[MrMastodonFarm]

There are many types and levels of depression. To dismiss someone's depression because they aren't at the suicide level is rather ignorant. Yeah sure, someone might be having a bad day and flippantly say "I'm so depressed", but that's the same for anything. People get the flu and say they're dying.

Being upset because someone's depression wasn't as bad as yours is fairly grating.

[chummer]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Hmmm I read his Facebook and it seems they were former friends. He seemed to have a beef with Hrudey.

How can you not like Kelly Hrudey? Seems this guy had a beef with everyone.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

There are many types and levels of depression. To dismiss someone's depression because they aren't at the suicide level is rather ignorant. Yeah sure, someone might be having a bad day and flippantly say "I'm so depressed", but that's the same for anything. People get the flu and say they're dying.

Being upset because someone's depression wasn't as bad as yours is fairly grating.

There is a massive difference between depressed mood, and major depressive disorder/clinical depression. Being sad you didn't get a raise or got turned down by a girl is not a physiological condition. It gets fixed when you get what you want, or something else good happens to offset your mood. Clinical depression, you could win the lottery and still feel miserable. You can't control it. It is a medical condition. I agree you do not have to be suicidal, as there are different levels of clinical depression, but it is typically linked to a chemical imbalance or some type of brain injury/disorder.

Being sad for not getting your way, doesn't necessarily = having clinical depression. And many people seem to think it is.

[AcGold]

Interestingly enough the whole chemical imbalance thing is closer to pseudoscience and new ageism than medicine.

There's no test for chemical imbalances, it's just a thing psychiatrists say to prescribe medication. The DSM, the foundation for diagnosis of all mental disorders, has no tests for chemical imbalance. The DSM has a lot of made up disorders anyways, the entire system is flawed currently as it centres around prescribing drugs based on subjective self diagnosis.

One person born and raised on a farm might be near suicidal, in pain, stressed and depressed. Another person may have never worked labor, had an easier life and will describe the same symptoms to a psychiatrist because they've had a few bad days over a few months. The result being two people with drastically different actual physical symptoms get prescribed the same thing erroneously based on the inherently flawed system of diagnosis. As a research field psychology is fascinating, the medical side of things is still in its adolescent stages and there is lots of work to be done.

Hell, basic ethical codes weren't in place until the 70s and 80s, before that you could shove an icepick up someones nose into their brain to correct behavior (it happened thousands of times).

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by chummer

How can you not like Kelly Hrudey? Seems this guy had a beef with everyone.

From what I saw, it seems like mental condition deteriorated to the point where he had an issue with anybody and everybody. I've seen this happen before where people will get into such a rough position that they push everyone away even their friends and family and people that are trying to help. They become hopeless.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by pylon

There is a massive difference between depressed mood, and major depressive disorder/clinical depression. Being sad you didn't get a raise or got turned down by a girl is not a physiological condition. It gets fixed when you get what you want, or something else good happens to offset your mood. Clinical depression, you could win the lottery and still feel miserable. You can't control it. It is a medical condition. I agree you do not have to be suicidal, as there are different levels of clinical depression, but it is typically linked to a chemical imbalance or some type of brain injury/disorder.

Being sad for not getting your way, doesn't necessarily = having clinical depression. And many people seem to think it is.

No ####, I wasn't insinuating any of what you replied with