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Badgers Nose · 01-20-2016, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Drouin needs to be smarter than his agent in this case...something a young guy should never have to deal with.

At this point, if I'm Yzerman, unless I get exactly what I want in a deal, I don't trade the kid until sometime around the draft or even later in the summer.

Walsh is doing the kid no favors and in fact should probably be fired for this stuff. What a complete moron.

True, but you gotta admit morons are not boring.

saillias · 01-20-2016, 05:43 PM

Allan Walsh must be a big deal

Beatle17 · 01-20-2016, 05:44 PM

If I was Yzerman I would say nothing and wait until next year. Then if Drouin wants to come back I would send him to the minors on the first day of camp. Drouin has no value doing what he is doing, so make him lose out on any chance he has until he buys into the team concept as he has no power with him being on his entry level contract.

taco.vidal · 01-20-2016, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Drouin will end up somewhere else, no doubt. But he's killing his reputation in the process. Corey Hirsh has been relating on Twitter how he was led into the same decision by his agent and still regrets it today.

If Drouin has a good attitude when he joins a new team his reputation will have no problems. If Drouin has a chance to excel and does, on top of having a good attitude, he will come out looking more than fine.

Yzerman better worry about his reputation. If he in fact isnt getting along with players, he will have a tough time with free agents and even other prospects.

MrMastodonFarm · 01-20-2016, 05:47 PM

Can we please stop with this mega thread stuff? When something big happens in a story, start a new thread. Lock the old one and link back to it for posterity but these things are brutal.

Textcritic · 01-20-2016, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

... At this point, if I'm Yzerman, unless I get exactly what I want in a deal, I don't trade the kid until sometime around the draft or even later in the summer...

Pretty much.

At this point, I think Yzerman should pull him off the table and let him sit until he decides he would like to cooperate. The Lightning are going to get blitzed in any deal now, so whether they receive a late round pick or nothing is splitting hairs.

Drouin doesn't get paid while he doesn't play, and risks losing so much development time and resources that the time out could realistically ruin any chance of him ever playing in the NHL again. This is the message that Yzerman ought to be sending to a petulant, entitled adolescent who cannot crack his team's NHL lineup.

Flash Walken · 01-20-2016, 05:49 PM

Hey guys, I found this picture of Drouin from today

taco.vidal · 01-20-2016, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Beatle17

If I was Yzerman I would say nothing and wait until next year. Then if Drouin wants to come back I would send him to the minors on the first day of camp. Drouin has no value doing what he is doing, so make him lose out on any chance he has until he buys into the team concept as he has no power with him being on his entry level contract.

Thats sounds idealistic and something you would do to punish your young son. In the real world the relationship is toxic and there is no trust from either side. From Tampas perspective this is a distraction. How do you bring this guy back next year. So he says the right things, you bring him up then he demands a trade again. What then? Suspend him again? That would end up in the courts. No winners. Tampa loses trying to prove a point to a young man?

Dion · 01-20-2016, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Drouin needs to be smarter than his agent in this case...something a young guy should never have to deal with.

At this point, if I'm Yzerman, unless I get exactly what I want in a deal, I don't trade the kid until sometime around the draft or even later in the summer.

Walsh is doing the kid no favors and in fact should probably be fired for this stuff. What a complete moron.

If that supposed trade doesn't go down it's going to make Drouin and his agent look like idiots. Like what are they going to do then? Sit out the rest of the season if it takes that long? I have a feeling this is going to backfire in the faces of Droiun and his agent.

CaptainYooh · 01-20-2016, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CroFlames

What was Tampa supposed to do? Give in to a kids demands to play NHL minutes?

No. But they could calm everyone down and promise to find an acceptable trade quietly. Why did this have to become so public?

sureLoss · 01-20-2016, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

No. But they could calm everyone down and promise to find an acceptable trade quietly. Why did this have to become so public?

I am pretty sure that is what Yzerman promised to do. Drouin and his agent took this publicly because they didn't feel Yzerman was moving fast enough.

Dion · 01-20-2016, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

No. But they could calm everyone down and promise to find an acceptable trade quietly. Why did this have to become so public?

The player and his agent didn't have to go public making a situation that was already difficult that much more. STFU and play until the trade comes down.

Huntingwhale · 01-20-2016, 05:54 PM

I hope Alan Walsh doesn't represent any Flames players. Agents like him are pooey

Ashasx · 01-20-2016, 05:54 PM

Drouin is doing what he feels is best for his career.

It's his one chance to make a living playing a game. And with the rumours going around Tampa Bay lately, maybe, just maybe, he could be right.

In face of all the criticism and backlash he has and will receive, I respect him for it.

Textcritic · 01-20-2016, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by taco.vidal

If Drouin has a good attitude when he joins a new team his reputation will have no problems. If Drouin has a chance to excel and does, on top of having a good attitude, he will come out looking more than fine.

I seriously doubt that. No matter what happens from here forward, Drouin has become a non-NHL player who held a gun to the head of his team's management. No hockey executive is going to forget that for a long time.

Furthermore, it is becoming less and less clear as time passes whether Drouin is even good enough to play in the NHL, let alone in exchange for team assets.

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Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Yzerman better worry about his reputation. If he in fact isnt getting along with players, he will have a tough time with free agents and even other prospects.

I agree, but really, he can't win in this situation. If he makes a deal now, he removes any credibility as a negotiator, and sets a precedent for other young players who are dissatisfied with their team's management groups. That is just as bad an option in Yzerman's eyes.

spuzzum · 01-20-2016, 05:55 PM

I always found how our North American sport leagues evolved fascinating.

In pretty much any other profession, you look for employment and employers advertise. You come to agreement on salary, position, and responsibilities. Generally, if either party is displeased, either can terminate the agreement with notice.

Sport franchises "own players", their rights, and essentially dictate terms. Once you become a free agent, you can sign a contract and dictate terms such as duration and salary.

I still find it strange that an 18 year old hockey player is owned for the first 7 years of his professional life.

The only equivalent I can think of is joining the military, having them pay for school, and in exchange offer years of service.

In the case of Drouin, very stupid move given the nuances of the business today. Hopefully the Flames can pick him up dirt dirt cheap.

JJ1532 · 01-20-2016, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

No. But they could calm everyone down and promise to find an acceptable trade quietly. Why did this have to become so public?

Drouin's side made it public, nowt to do with Tampa. They revealed the trade request, they now revealed the intention to sit out until the trade is done.

I'm sure Yzerman would have loved nothing more than to keep this whole sorry mess under wraps, but Walsh has been spouting off on multiple occasions as to how hard done to his client is, trying to force Tampa's hand by making it public.

I feel for Yzerman in this situation.

Flash Walken · 01-20-2016, 05:56 PM

Jesus, what year is it?

Is Yzerman reading Punch Imlach's biography for inspiration?

The days of acting humble and saying the right things to get a spot are over. This is a business and not playing NHL minutes is costing Drouin potentially millions of dollars. These are his prime scoring years and scoring = dollars.

Buck Murdock · 01-20-2016, 05:57 PM

I bet Steve Yzerman is a really easy going, reasonable guy to deal with...

Beatle17 · 01-20-2016, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Thats sounds idealistic and something you would do to punish your young son. In the real world the relationship is toxic and there is no trust from either side. From Tampas perspective this is a distraction. How do you bring this guy back next year. So he says the right things, you bring him up then he demands a trade again. What then? Suspend him again? That would end up in the courts. No winners. Tampa loses trying to prove a point to a young man?

No it wouldn't as he has a contract to play for Tampa or their affiliate. If they tell him to report to the AHL team and he refuses he gets suspended without pay and his contract carries over for another year. Drouin is in a no win situation that is way different than Sven Baertschi was. Sven told the team he wouldn't re-sign after the season so they moved him, Drouin doesn't have that option.

Drouin may turn out to be a great player so just turn up and prove it. If he is so great he should dominate against 3-4 line players and he hasn't. When he proves it then he will get ice time, unless he goes to Edmonton.