10-29-2015, 12:35 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Finger Cookin
Hopefully Flames management has had more communication with Joni Ortio, upcoming goaltender prospect, about their plans and expectations for him this season then they have had with MattyC, Calgarypuck Franchise Player, so that his thought process isn't based on filling in the gaps.  |
Haha I am sure that is the case.
However, doesn't matter what they say. The fact would be they are bringing up a player and playing him ahead of Ortio. They can say all they want, their action says "we think this guy is more talented than you, the only reason you're here is contract status". If there was a significant gap in talent-level, it could be understood, but from what we've seen, there isn't.
No doubt Karri will get some time (depending on how long Hiller is out) possibly as early as Saturday due to the back to back. But I don't think bringing him up and playing him before you put in Ortio is sending the right message, regardless of the lip service that comes along with it.
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10-29-2015, 12:36 PM
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#62
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Orito I'd guess if Ramo hasn't even been recalled yet.
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10-29-2015, 12:59 PM
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#63
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sector 7-G
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Pat Steinberg @Fan960Steinberg 6m6 minutes ago
No surprise, but Ramo will be officially recalled today. #Flames
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10-29-2015, 01:02 PM
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#64
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by MattyC
But I don't think bringing him up and playing him before you put in Ortio is sending the right message
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I can agree with that. I'm just not going to get pre-emptively upset about it.
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10-29-2015, 01:04 PM
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#65
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sector 7-G
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I can almost guarantee Ortio will start tomorrow, no way the flames will put in a cold goalie against one of the best teams in the NHL right now. Ramo will be the backup until Hiller is good to go - or traded.
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10-29-2015, 01:40 PM
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Oct 2015
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Given hartley seems to favor vet goalies over Ortio , watch we'll end up with Ramo starting both against montreal and coilers. I hope I'm wrong here and we see Ortio take the ball and run with it.
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10-29-2015, 01:40 PM
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Otto-matic
I can almost guarantee Ortio will start tomorrow, no way the flames will put in a cold goalie against one of the best teams in the NHL right now. Ramo will be the backup until Hiller is good to go - or traded.
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I don't think so...
I believe we go back to continuing to "Win and stay in" approach that Hartley has been doing all season, just now with Ortio and Ramo.
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Originally Posted by MattyC
Haha I am sure that is the case.
However, doesn't matter what they say. The fact would be they are bringing up a player and playing him ahead of Ortio. They can say all they want, their action says "we think this guy is more talented than you, the only reason you're here is contract status". If there was a significant gap in talent-level, it could be understood, but from what we've seen, there isn't.
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As to who starts first this weekend? Ramo, Ortio, doesn't really matter. They will each get one start.
Ortio has to be smart enough to realize he wasn't waived because the Flames thought he would be claimed - ASSET MANAGEMENT. It wasn't necessarily that he proved himself better than the two vets.
People here want Ortio in front of both Hiller and Ramo - fine. Doesn't mean that's where he belongs or where Hartley is ready to play him. He's still the young guy learning the ropes... that takes time.
Last edited by Lord Carnage; 10-29-2015 at 01:43 PM.
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10-29-2015, 01:47 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: VanCity
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Otto-matic
I can almost guarantee Ortio will start tomorrow, no way the flames will put in a cold goalie against one of the best teams in the NHL right now. Ramo will be the backup until Hiller is good to go - or traded.
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Because Ortio is all warmed up from playing 12 minutes?
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10-29-2015, 01:55 PM
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#69
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Carnage
As to who starts first this weekend? Ramo, Ortio, doesn't really matter. They will each get one start.
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Unless whoever starts Friday plays exceptionally well and wins the game (oh God, please). Neither goalie has played so frequently at this point that they would be too tired to play back-to-back.
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10-29-2015, 01:57 PM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Carnage
I don't think so...
I believe we go back to continuing to "Win and stay in" approach that Hartley has been doing all season, just now with Ortio and Ramo...
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I agree, but this does not necessarily mean that we should expect a start from Ramo tomorrow.
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10-29-2015, 01:58 PM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
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Originally Posted by genetic_phreek
Because Ortio is all warmed up from playing 12 minutes?
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That is a hell of a lot more game action than Ramo has had in the past week.
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10-29-2015, 02:08 PM
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#72
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sector 7-G
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Quote:
Originally Posted by genetic_phreek
Because Ortio is all warmed up from playing 12 minutes?
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He played a full game on Monday, been practicing with the team and warmed up last night. I'd say he's a hell lot more ready then Ramo will be.
I'm a huge Ramo supporter too.
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10-29-2015, 02:13 PM
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#73
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
That is a hell of a lot more game action than Ramo has had in the past week.
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Ramo played 20 minutes in relief of Gillies who got pulled a few days ago. He's not ice cold. He was only waived last week anyways.
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10-29-2015, 03:05 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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I know that a majority of people would prefer to see Ortio get both starts, but that may not happen since it is back to back nights.
So, if the starts are split between the two goalies, what would you prefer happen?
vs Habs: Ortio
vs Oilers: Ramo
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vs Habs: Ramo
vs Oilers: Ortio
Tough call. You want your best against the best and Ramo has proven that he is not at the top of his game this year. So by that reasoning you'd want Ortio against the Canadiens... however, you also want to make sure you beat the Oilers on Saturday, so you'd want the hottest goalie playing that night.
Play what you perceive to be the better goalie on Saturday night and hope for the best on Friday against that top team in the NHL (so far)?
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10-29-2015, 03:46 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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Play what you perceive to be the better goalie on Saturday night and hope for the best on Friday against that top team in the NHL (so far)?
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As far as I'm concerned that choice is a loser mentality as it tells the team it's conceding the loss on Friday. It's how Brent Sutter approached the goalie situation and we'd end up losing both games.
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10-29-2015, 03:58 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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What about Miikka Kiprusoff in one of those pairs of glasses with the fake nose and mustache.
"What do you mean....I am Ramo...."
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10-29-2015, 04:47 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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10-29-2015, 04:49 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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nvm
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10-29-2015, 04:54 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2015
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Does Ramo need to clear waivers again when he returns to Stockton?
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10-29-2015, 04:55 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hockey.modern
Does Ramo need to clear waivers again when he returns to Stockton?
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only if he is on the NHL roster for 30 days or dresses for 10 NHL games
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