[News] Raffi Torres At It Again - Check to the Head of Silfverberg - Update gets 41 games - Page 4 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 10-05-2015, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

That's stupid. This tells players they can throw 10 dirty hits in a couple of years and only face a 41 game suspension on the 10th hit. Ban him already

I think you are underestimating the severity of this punishment, not that I don't agree I'd like to have seen more, I think the NHL showed a step in the right direction.

Unfortunately, especially with a union lurking around and looking for precedence on these type of rulings you can't erase all the mistakes of the past (talking about the NHL being to light on Torres and others up to this point) on one incident or with one ruling. All you can do is take big steps in the right directions, I'd call this that.

codynw · 10-05-2015, 02:41 PM

Does anyone know how Silfverberg is doing? I haven't heard anything about him.

dino7c · 10-05-2015, 02:42 PM

41 games is a lot, I get the whole lifetime ban thing but realistically that would never fly with the PA/lawyers ect.

Stay Golden · 10-05-2015, 02:42 PM

41 games outstanding decision by NHL player safety.
1/2 a season is a just decision based on his lengthy rapsheet of just pure idiot behavior!
Well done Brian Leech.

Jason14h · 10-05-2015, 02:43 PM

I agree that we will never see him in the NHL again.

devo22 · 10-05-2015, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by codynw

Does anyone know how Silfverberg is doing? I haven't heard anything about him.

according to the video that explains the suspension, he didn't return to the game for precautionary reasons, but apparently wasn't injured on the play. He didn't practise today though, so who knows if that's true.

Locke · 10-05-2015, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

41 games is a lot, I get the whole lifetime ban thing but realistically that would never fly with the PA/lawyers ect.

Guys, this basically is a lifetime ban in everything but name.

25 games sewered this guy's career, 41 games is going to effectively end it.

Scornfire · 10-05-2015, 02:47 PM

Wait, according to that video he's NOT considered a repeat offender? What the everloving #### does it take to be one then?

KootenayFlamesFan · 10-05-2015, 02:49 PM

After that many suspensions and that many head shots 41 games isn't enough. I understand people saying it effectively ends his career, but the NHL shouldn't have even left the door open a crack. Ban him for life, and battle the NHLPA over it if you have to.

devo22 · 10-05-2015, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Scornfire

Wait, according to that video he's NOT considered a repeat offender? What the everloving #### does it take to be one then?

the NHL says you're a repeat offender if you're suspended twice in a span of 18 months. This doesn't apply to Torres in this case though because he missed over a season with an injury - his last suspension was in May 2013. However, they still factor in his history of suspensions when making a decision:

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A Player is considered a repeat offender for 18 months following his most recent incident that resulted in a suspension. His status as a repeat offender in this category is used to determine the amount of salary forfeited should he receive another suspension.

It is important to note that even if a Player is not defined as a repeat offender, his past history may come into consideration when determining future Supplemental Discipline.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=738846

Benched · 10-05-2015, 02:52 PM

it's starting to hit the right mark, it just seems like the curve upward in suspension time is not quick enough. that was a long list of guys that were hit in the same manner...

re-watching the video and where he shrugs after the hit like 'come on! what was wrong with that?' got my blood boiling again.

41 - hugely strong message to the league at large that the headshots are serious business. probably not enough for this player though, and he shouldn't even have been playing before this hit given his history

CorsiHockeyLeague · 10-05-2015, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

That's stupid. This tells players they can throw 10 dirty hits in a couple of years and only face a 41 game suspension on the 10th hit. Ban him already

Only?!?

That's a massive, massive suspension. They got this one right.

Scornfire · 10-05-2015, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by devo22

the NHL says you're a repeat offender if you're suspended twice in a span of 18 months. This doesn't apply to Torres in this case though because he missed over a season with an injury - his last suspension was in May 2013. However, they still factor in his history of suspensions when making a decision:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=738846

Seems more like a description for a "Recent Offender", but as long as his History is still factored in I guess it doesn't really matter. Either way, he and Cooke can be gone yesterday imo

Bmuzyka · 10-05-2015, 02:58 PM

Now, correct me if I am wrong, but San Jose can still dress a complete roster correct? Maybe, we should punish teams who dress these wreck less players. Maybe make a team work with one less roster spot for the duration of a player suspension. I doubt that would ever happen, but it might keep coaches in check who might send out a goon to rough someone up.

SuperMatt18 · 10-05-2015, 03:10 PM

Good.

I agree that the teams that employ these idiots need to get some type of punishment as well.

I like the roster aspect, have a suspended player on the roster, well you are down to a 22 man roster for the next 41 games then.

Also they should increase the penalty where the team has to pay the same amount of the suspended value to the other team. Thanks for employing this idiot San Jose...now write a $441k cheque to the Ducks.

Enoch Root · 10-05-2015, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

That's stupid. This tells players they can throw 10 dirty hits in a couple of years and only face a 41 game suspension on the 10th hit. Ban him already

I would venture to guess that there is not a single player anywhere who is currently thinking: sweet - I can commit 10 suspend-able infractions before they give me a 41 gamer!

nik- · 10-05-2015, 03:13 PM

Sharks should be punished too. It's time to start discouraging teams from signing these idiots in a way that's more heavy handed than a suspended player. Obviously it's not working as these plugs keep finding their way onto rosters.

IgiTang · 10-05-2015, 03:14 PM

If Torres missing a season due to injury is counted in his time accounted for repeat offender status, that rule needs to be changed.

Make it 182 regular season games excluding playoffs. Forces a player to be accountable for 2 seasons actually played.

Locke · 10-05-2015, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

Sharks should be punished too. It's time to start discouraging teams from signing these idiots in a way that's more heavy handed than a suspended player. Obviously it's not working as these plugs keep finding their way onto rosters.

You mean a punishment more than the occasional Forensic Investigation by Eugene Melnyk?

Enoch Root · 10-05-2015, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

Sharks should be punished too. It's time to start discouraging teams from signing these idiots in a way that's more heavy handed than a suspended player. Obviously it's not working as these plugs keep finding their way onto rosters.

Not sure how it actually does work in this regard (maybe someone can jump in), but one way to punish the team is to make it so that the suspended player remains on the 23 man roster and their cap hit continues to count.

In this case, that would mean that SJ would effectively have to run with a 22 man roster for half the season. That would be a pretty stiff penalty for them.