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kn · 09-28-2015, 12:41 AM

I really don't see the point in keeping Wilson with the depth we have on D.

Granlund should be on this team. I'll be disappointed when he gets sent down and Raymond remains.

hockey.modern · 09-28-2015, 12:42 AM

Is there any word if Raymond did get hurt from that game last night?

Alberta_Beef · 09-28-2015, 01:53 AM

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Columbus. He was sent to their AHL affiliate the other day.

I think you have to look at the player's age in those cases too. Kulak was 20 and straight out of junior when he was sent to the ECHL. Ramage was 22 and coming off of 4 years in College.

Just because Ramage is no longer in the Flames organization doesn't mean that sending him to the ECHL was bad for his development. He played well and was a key contributor to Alaska's Kelly Cup win. He also had a decent year in Adirondack last season.

Acquiring Hamilton, who's two years younger than Ramage and already an established NHLer; plus drafting Andersson and Kylington; as well as, Wotherspoon, Culkin, Kulak, Morrison, and Sieloff all being younger than Ramage and ahead of him on the depth chart, all combined to make it an easy decision to not qualify Ramage. That doesn't mean that sending him to the ECHL two years ago was a bad move.

Kylington is only 18 and playing his first season in North America. Sending him to the ECHL shouldn't really have any negative impact on his development if he has a good attitude about it (as long as the Flames trust the coaching staff in Adirondack).

My point was you can't assume just because 1 player did it and it helped them, that it will also help another.

Party Elephant · 09-28-2015, 03:05 AM

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My point was you can't assume just because 1 player did it and it helped them, that it will also help another.

OK but what about the other two recent examples? Vulcan posted that three of our prospects have shown improvement, at least numbers wise, after a stint in the ECHL. That seems like a trend to me.

Alberta_Beef · 09-28-2015, 03:32 AM

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OK but what about the other two recent examples? Vulcan posted that three of our prospects have shown improvement, at least numbers wise, after a stint in the ECHL. That seems like a trend to me.

Naming 3 young players that are developing, doesn't prove anything though. There is no way of knowing if that development came from playing in the ECHL or simply getting more mature and gaining experience. The ECHL has it's success stories, but the majority of ECHLers never amount to anything.

If a player is in the ECHL because they need ice-time and to get used to playing against bigger bodies, then yes it can be very good. I have no problem with a player playing in the ECHL, I just think citing a couple recent examples as evidence that it is a good idea for Kylington is dumb. Now if Treliving & Co. think it is best for his development, then I am all for him playing for the Thunder.

FlameZilla · 09-28-2015, 04:49 AM

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I think Hathaway has no chance at making it and should've been sent to start training camp. It's not that he's bad, but we have no room. Surprised about Kulak too.

What about the famous "Always earned" mantra? If someone has shown enough over camp to prove he deserves to be in the final group of cuts then good for him. It could be enough motivation for him to go down to the AHL & make a case that management need to make some room in the NHL roster for him.

Hathaway had a great season last year & he deserves a good long look. If our depth wasn't so strong he could have been this year's Josh Jooris.

Poe969 · 09-28-2015, 08:29 AM

I think people here over think the "always earned" thing. It isn't always as easy as that, it does go a long way but it's not the only factor. Raymond is a perfect example of this. He hasn't really shown anything that makes you think he should have made it past the first group of cuts but here he is. Some guys who got cut have shown more hustle but Raymond is here and they're not. The contract and the contract situation the player is in have almost as much to do with their performance. I don't think the owners want to see Raymond and his 3 mil contract playing in the minors to save less than a million on the cap, it's just not smart business. Sure, it may happen but I'm willing to bet they give him more of an opportunity to earn a spot than most guys. Look at the goalie situation, if Ramo and Hiller play unreal and Ortio is the guy on the sidelines, will they put him on waivers where he's sure to be picked up?

In an ideal world, the best players would make the team. It just doesn't always work that way. In the Flames case right now, they have a lot of good young players that won't make the team and should likely be on the team over a one or two who are on it but it's a business too so they're not. If anything, I think BT will find a way to figure things out and make the Flames come out on top, he's a wizard!

RyZ · 09-28-2015, 08:34 AM

There is no way Kylington plays a game in the ECHL. There is no way the Flames get him, a prized prospect, out of his contract in Sweden and bring him over to NA to plop him in the ECHL. Might as well have left him in Sweden if that is the thought process. He's most likely Stockton with a possibility of Brandon still.

As Darren Haynes said a while ago on the matter, like it or not, there are optics and perception involved here with the player as well and it would be a kick in the teeth from the team to Kylington if they send him to ECHL. It just wont happen.

Poe969 · 09-28-2015, 08:57 AM

Kylington was assigned to Stockton...I'm pretty sure he can't go down to Brandon now, only up to the Flames. I'm pretty sure he'll end up being one of their best defensemen too.

Calgary4LIfe · 09-28-2015, 09:01 AM

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Kylington was assigned to Stockton...I'm pretty sure he can't go down to Brandon now, only up to the Flames. I'm pretty sure he'll end up being one of their best defensemen too.

Kylington can still be assigned to Brandon. It is once that he gets assigned to Brandon, he can't go back up barring an emergency re-call situation.

flambers · 09-28-2015, 09:10 AM

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I really don't see the point in keeping Wilson with the depth we have on D.

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That's the problem, Flames don't have allot of depth at defense. It only takes 2 or 3 injuries and the Flames have issues. Never can have enough depth a defense.....

Wotherspoon is at the most a #6 type of dman.

Not sure what type of dman Jakub Nakadal, plus he is hurt

Brett Kulak is another dman who is on the bubble.

Kylington from the game on the Saturday, looks like a dman who is needs games at the AHL level. He is not ready in my view

Smid, who knows how long he is out for

868904 · 09-28-2015, 09:38 AM

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There is no way Kylington plays a game in the ECHL. There is no way the Flames get him, a prized prospect, out of his contract in Sweden and bring him over to NA to plop him in the ECHL. Might as well have left him in Sweden if that is the thought process. He's most likely Stockton with a possibility of Brandon still.

As Darren Haynes said a while ago on the matter, like it or not, there are optics and perception involved here with the player as well and it would be a kick in the teeth from the team to Kylington if they send him to ECHL. It just wont happen.

As has been mentioned by others, the Adirondack Thinder are owned by the Flames now and they control the team. It's the best place to go that is a pro league and under flames control. Many teams are going to start treating the ECHL team as an extension of the ahl team. Similar to MLB triple and double A system. I think it should be more than just Kylington going there. kanzig should definitley go there as well as Carroll and Smith. Flames can give all of those guys 20 minutes a game in a pro environment and not have to worry about wins.

Stay Golden · 09-28-2015, 09:48 AM

If Granlund gets sent down and Raymond stays, it is purly based on contract and years in the NHL and not on ice performance.
Granlund is the better overall player right now.

Bandwagon In Flames · 09-28-2015, 09:54 AM

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As has been mentioned by others, the Adirondack Thinder are owned by the Flames now and they control the team. It's the best place to go that is a pro league and under flames control. Many teams are going to start treating the ECHL team as an extension of the ahl team. Similar to MLB triple and double A system. I think it should be more than just Kylington going there. kanzig should definitley go there as well as Carroll and Smith. Flames can give all of those guys 20 minutes a game in a pro environment and not have to worry about wins.

Not sure if you've been out of the loop for a while, but that's exactly what the AHL team is about. They are no longer employing veterans just so they can win and compete in the playoffs. Stockton will be used to develop Flames prospects and you bet your ass that they'll be doing whatever is best for Kylington and any other prospects development.

AHL is the best place to go that is a pro league and under flames control.. They also have much better coaching than the ECHL.

442scotty · 09-28-2015, 10:33 AM

Tre needs to swallow his pride, admit that Raymond isn't going to work and dump him... plain and simple... You can bet that players cringe when they find out he is their linemate and probably ask themselves what they did to deserve this... He is an anchor, a cancer eating away at the team... His ship sailed a long time ago... Unless he has a miraculous overnight revelation he needs to go... this week! (Raymond, I hope you are reading this! Get your game in order or give the money back...Fraud artist)

442scotty · 09-28-2015, 10:34 AM

Maybe I'm over the top but for crying out loud people...

Poe969 · 09-28-2015, 10:34 AM

wow. Un-thanks.

Paging This Post is Terrible....

Red Menace · 09-28-2015, 10:41 AM

So what is the exact rule for Kylington?
he can still be assigned to WHL? but once he is he must stay there?
Can he be assigned anytime during the season? or once he plays a certain number of games does he have to stay in AHL?

Enoch Root · 09-28-2015, 10:43 AM

The only restriction that he would be up against is that, if he gets sent to Brandon, he would have to stay there until their season ended.

He has no restrictions with the Flames, Stockton or Adirondack.

GioforPM · 09-28-2015, 10:49 AM

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Tre needs to swallow his pride, admit that Raymond isn't going to work and dump him... plain and simple... You can bet that players cringe when they find out he is their linemate and probably ask themselves what they did to deserve this... He is an anchor, a cancer eating away at the team... His ship sailed a long time ago... Unless he has a miraculous overnight revelation he needs to go... this week! (Raymond, I hope you are reading this! Get your game in order or give the money back...Fraud artist)

Raymond is not a fit for this team because hsi skill set doesn't match what's needed. Arguably he might not fit anywhere else either, though he might find a role on the Leafs, for example.

But I've never heard anything negative about Raymond in the room, or from the coaches, or in the community. I think he's trying, but just not succeeding because his game doesn't match what the Flames do. Even so, he did score at about the pace he always has achieved, so its not like he put something over on the Flames.

"Fraud artist" is entirely unwarranted.