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		|  09-19-2015, 03:06 PM | #61 |  
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					Originally Posted by Enoch Root  isn't 77 games too many for that tourney? |  
Sorry, referring to Cali's comment on Nurse
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		|  09-19-2015, 03:06 PM | #62 |  
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			so $30M for a guy with 3 NHL goals...
 $10M per goal - just to put things into perspective
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		|  09-19-2015, 03:06 PM | #63 |  
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			this contract shows how great the Brodie, Hamilton and Giordano deals are
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		|  09-19-2015, 03:06 PM | #64 |  
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					Originally Posted by Enoch Root  The bar was low in Edmonton last year, but nonetheless, he struggled in his own end A LOT. |  
He struggled in his own end, or Justin Schultz dragged him down?  Legitimate question, because there were many things I'd rather do than watch the Oilers unless they're playing us and he didn't look bad to me against us.
		 
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		|  09-19-2015, 03:09 PM | #65 |  
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					Originally Posted by GranteedEV  He struggled in his own end, or Justin Schultz dragged him down? Legitimate question, because there were many things I'd rather do than watch the Oilers unless they're playing us and he didn't look bad to me against us. |  
I watch the Oilers quite a bit.  He is still learning how to play in his own zone in the NHL.  Whether it's with Schultz or anyone else.
   
 He is not an NHL top 4 defenseman (yet)
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		|  09-19-2015, 03:09 PM | #66 |  
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					Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan  I think Nurse is all but a lock to be a top 4 defenseman. He's a blue chipper. Klefbom is pretty much already there. The only question mark is Reinhart. |  
I agree on Nurse, he's a top pairing guy as early as next year. Klefbom is only a top 4 on the oilers by default. On how many NHL rosters is this guy even in the top 6?
 
We'll see on Reinhart, but he got beat out by two other D prospects in the Islanders system last year, not exactly a good sign going forward.
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		|  09-19-2015, 03:12 PM | #67 |  
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					Originally Posted by GranteedEV  Klefbom's been good at the SHL level too. He's a good defenseman. Maybe not a top pairing guy like Oil fans want but certainly a second pairing guy. |  
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		|  09-19-2015, 03:15 PM | #68 |  
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			David Staples @dstaples  47m47 minutes ago 
Have to say this Oscar Klefbom deal was a bold move by new GM Chiarelli. And I like it. 
 
That's one way to spin it. I choose to spin it as the following:
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		|  09-19-2015, 03:20 PM | #69 |  
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Not sure why I can't say he's a middle pairing guy based on just watching Calgary vs Edmonton games?   He looks steady to me when I watch them.  Maybe you watch them more to me, but that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to have my opinion.
		 
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		|  09-19-2015, 03:22 PM | #70 |  
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			Haha, bold! He's taunted as being a big guy at six three, but he had four total penalty minutes and was a minus 21 in 60 games. I'd call that pretty soft if you ask me
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		|  09-19-2015, 03:22 PM | #71 |  
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			was this the guy byron out muscled in the corner to set ip the gwg even though he is like a foot shorter
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		|  09-19-2015, 03:24 PM | #72 |  
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			It's like a riskier version of the awful Jake Gardiner contract that removes all incentive for the player to actually reach their ceiling.
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					Originally Posted by Robo  was this the guy byron out muscled in the corner to set ip the gwg even though he is like a foot shorter |  
no that was Marincin.
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					Originally Posted by devo22  no that was Marincin. |  
aw darn
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					Originally Posted by neo45  It's like a riskier version of the awful Jake Gardiner contract that removes all incentive for the player to actually reach their ceiling. |  
Hmmm ... Not saying either way whether he will live up to that contract but I would definitely prefer Klefbom to Gardiner.
		 
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		|  09-19-2015, 03:49 PM | #76 |  
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					Originally Posted by Walter Reed  Hmmm ... Not saying either way whether he will live up to that contract but I would definitely prefer Klefbom to Gardiner. |  
Actually, Gardiner is a perfect comparison to show how risky (read: stupid) this contract is. Comparing Klefbom today with Gardiner at the same age (22):
 
Gardiner: drafted #17 overall, 75 games, 7G, 23A, 30P, 18Pims
 
Klefbom: drafted #19 overall, 77 games, 3G, 20A, 23P, 4Pims
 
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			Dumb term and a million too much.
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		|  09-19-2015, 04:15 PM | #78 |  
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			Might actually end up being OK but speaks to a questionable approach and mindset. It really does seem it is always given, never earned up there.
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		|  09-19-2015, 04:19 PM | #79 |  
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					Originally Posted by Enoch Root  Actually, Gardiner is a perfect comparison to show how risky (read: stupid) this contract is. Comparing Klefbom today with Gardiner at the same age (22):
 Gardiner: drafted #17 overall, 75 games, 7G, 23A, 30P, 18Pims
 
 Klefbom: drafted #19 overall, 77 games, 3G, 20A, 23P, 4Pims
 
 Three years ago, Gardiner was a highly desired young prospect who was considered a shoe-in to be a long-time top 4 defenseman.
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This.
 
Average player on a terrible team looks amazing.
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		|  09-19-2015, 04:25 PM | #80 |  
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					Originally Posted by shermanator  David Staples @dstaples  47m47 minutes ago 
Have to say this Oscar Klefbom deal was a bold move by new GM Chiarelli. And I like it. 
 
That's one way to spin it. I choose to spin it as the following:
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The reset button has been hit by the press up there. May not have Lowe egging them on and pouring the kool aid anymore, but they have more than enough experience in ignoring reason and calling dubious deals as bold and positive. 
 
Is there any reason to get such a deal done now for PC? Hasn't played a game under the new coach and he's got $30m dollars. The type of stuff PC got canned for in Boston.
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