When does CalgaryNext break ground?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I suspect you can say this because you don't in fact, have seasons tickets. Plus, notwithstanding there's no way that Balzac is a mere 5 minutes more - Stoney Trail or not (I drive Stoney on the west side at least once a week and it's a good 30 minutes without traffic from the Trans-Canada to CrossIron Mills), not everyone is just off of Stoney or Deerfoot.

Out of town arenas were a past concept that never panned out: Kanata, Glendale, etc.

It takes you 30 mins to drive 30 km on a road that is 100 km/h max with no traffic?

And according to google, its 2 mins longer to drive to cross irons then it is to drive to the Dome from McKenzie town.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Weitz

It takes you 30 mins to drive 30 km on a road that is 100 km/h max with no traffic?

And according to google, its 2 mins longer to drive to cross irons then it is to drive to the Dome from McKenzie town.

Well, looking back, I included some TransCanada time as well, my bad. But it is not all 100K and you still have to go on the 2 and then park (like going to a game I guess).

Anyway, let's assume the timing is right - great for Mackenzie Town. Crappy for Westbrook, Lakeview, Glenmore, Aspen, etc. etc.

Plus Balzac is a dumb place to put a big facility as far as utilities, water, other amenities, etc. is concerned. And ever deal with the County of Rocky View? It's amateur hour.

[4X4]

OH well! Hey, if it works for one guy down in McKenzie Towne, then let's do it! Forget about the people that maybe want to have 2-3 beers at the game and plan on taking the train. And screw the people that live in the SW that have and extra 15-30 minutes tacked on to the drive. Maybe even an hour, considering crappy traffic on winter evenings.

As long as stone hands is happy, that's really all that matters. Everyone else that is thinking about maybe wanting to celebrate after a playoff game, but now have the pesky responsibility of having brought their car to the game don't need to worry about walking down to the closest entertainment district, because there isn't one up in Balzac!

Brilliant plan, yo!

[RM14]

Argument is useless. Arena will not be built outside of downtown.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by RM14

Argument is useless. Arena will not be built outside of downtown.

I can't believe anyone thinks that the Flames would be so stupid as to build it in Balzac.

[The Yen Man]

I live in Sage Hill, so an arena in Balzac would totally be to my benefit, and even I think it's a terrible idea. Ask Ottawa and Phoenix how awesome it is to have an arena in the middle of nowhere. Ken King should be fired if that's where he ends up locating the new arena, as I guarantee Flames will regret that decision almost immediately.

[Senator Clay Davis]

If Rocky View County is gonna build the Flames an arena for free in Balzac and the city/province/feds kick in nothing for a downtown Calgary arena, the Flames new arena will be in Balzac. Of course it's highly unlikely to happen, but the Flames first choice will always be an arena they pay little to nothing for. Of course it'd be stupid but as we've seen from Ottawa and Phoenix, a free arena will cause stupid decisions.

[OBCT]

After 2018, but before 2025.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

If Rocky View County is gonna build the Flames an arena for free in Balzac and the city/province/feds kick in nothing for a downtown Calgary arena, the Flames new arena will be in Balzac. Of course it's highly unlikely to happen, but the Flames first choice will always be an arena they pay little to nothing for. Of course it'd be stupid but as we've seen from Ottawa and Phoenix, a free arena will cause stupid decisions.

That will never happen. The Flames have repeatedly said as much.

[RM14]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

If Rocky View County is gonna build the Flames an arena for free in Balzac and the city/province/feds kick in nothing for a downtown Calgary arena, the Flames new arena will be in Balzac. Of course it's highly unlikely to happen, but the Flames first choice will always be an arena they pay little to nothing for. Of course it'd be stupid but as we've seen from Ottawa and Phoenix, a free arena will cause stupid decisions.

I honestly think the Flames would respectfully decline a free arena built out of town.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by RM14

I honestly think the Flames would respectfully decline a free arena built out of town.

Yes, this has repeatedly been stated by them as I recall.

The goal is an entertainment district, which wouldn't happen there.

[Howie_16]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Probably just another empty promise by a politician trying to get the big job.

I doubt much will change in terms of arena funding no matter what happens on Monday.

But it is not an empty promise of federal dollars to CalgaryNEXT. It is Trudeau's platform to stimulate the economy by spending on infrastructure and running a deficit.

Does the CalgaryNEXT project qualify as infrastructure in this case?

[Flamenspiel]

^^Yea, and i have some swampland in Florida to sell you. Many promises have been made, most of which will be long forgotten, but an arena for Calgary with federal money, that's just a non-starter. They would lose as many votes in Edmonton as they would gain in Calgary as a result of any such grant. Even when Notley mentioned that she would just "look" at Calgary NEXT, she was getting calls from Edmonton's mayor that they wanted a share as well.

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by 4X4

OH well! Hey, if it works for one guy down in McKenzie Towne, then let's do it! Forget about the people that maybe want to have 2-3 beers at the game and plan on taking the train. And screw the people that live in the SW that have and extra 15-30 minutes tacked on to the drive. Maybe even an hour, considering crappy traffic on winter evenings.

As long as stone hands is happy, that's really all that matters. Everyone else that is thinking about maybe wanting to celebrate after a playoff game, but now have the pesky responsibility of having brought their car to the game don't need to worry about walking down to the closest entertainment district, because there isn't one up in Balzac!

Brilliant plan, yo!

Oils 40 bucks a barrel. Thousands of people are being laid off. We have a million other things to spend almost a billion dollars of public money on but let's give it to an ownership group who's net worth is well over 5 billion dollars so people can take a ctrain home from a hockey game. We could have the flames build the rink and extend the lrt to it. That would be a good use of public money

[T@T]

Originally Posted by RM14

I honestly think the Flames would respectfully decline a free arena built out of town.

Do you mean "out of town" or "downtown"?

I agree it will never be 20-30k's away from city center but I still say this project is too large for the west village and far too expensive.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

At the cost of $400 million it's not a renovation, it's a new building.

Not sure how or why but Madison Square's renovation cost 1 billion

I don't think it matters what the cost would be to renovate the Dome, flames want away from the stampede board.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by T@T

Do you mean "out of town" or "downtown"?

I agree it will never be 20-30k's away from city center but I still say this project is too large for the west village and far too expensive.

Do you mean too expensive to build there or too expensive to the city? If the former, where is less expensive? If the latter, what does the city do with the unusable land it already purchased for a loss?

The suitability of the footprint is debateable. I don't think it's as small as where some other similar multi-sport complexes are.

ETA: I think he meant out of town because Balzac

[stone hands]

Really I don't care where they put it, as long as they pay for it. any amount of research into public funded sports arenas will show you its a terrible investment for the city and just lines the pockets of the owners. Balzak is just an extreme example of probably the lowest cost for the flames, at least real-estate wise

[T@T]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Do you mean too expensive to build there or too expensive to the city? If the former, where is less expensive? If the latter, what does the city do with the unusable land it already purchased for a loss?

The suitability of the footprint is debateable. I don't think it's as small as where some other similar multi-sport complexes are.

ETA: I think he meant out of town because Balzac

Infrastructure for that area will be very costly, KK is being sneaky about this, after the arena's are open the true scope of traffic problems will be known and of course dealt with at a huge cost to taxpayers. and then there's the cleanup costs(who will pay for it?)

Not that you want it but I'll give you my opinion anyway

That area should be cleaned up and used similar to east village, with the way our road systems are in this city we need more places to live closer to the downtown core.

I would put this massive project up on the hill at firepark, 5 minutes from downtown, right off of deerfoot tr and already on the LRT line, this area(Barlow/Memorial could also be revitalized with hotels,bars, condo's etc.

Edit, the land is already owned by one of the flames owners.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Howie_16

But it is not an empty promise of federal dollars to CalgaryNEXT. It is Trudeau's platform to stimulate the economy by spending on infrastructure and running a deficit.

Does the CalgaryNEXT project qualify as infrastructure in this case?

I doubt that they would put any dough towards the Arena/Fieldhouse but considering that they directly said that public transportation infrastructure would be a part of it I would imagine that the roadways/LRT connections the project would need in the WV would at least qualify.