MacLean: Oilers will win cup in next 2-4 years

[Bar-Down]

Haha come on Ronnie, this isn't the 70's and 80's anymore where you can score 9 goals and win a game 9-8.

Sure they may have some firepower but if you have zero defense and a big question mark in goal your not gonna win many games.

Even their goal production might not be that great because they have no puck-moving defenseman and zero two-way forwards so they will spend a lot of time in their own zone.

Stupid Coilers.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

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[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If you believe that I have a very nice bridge to sell you. Ron MacLean would put majority of us to shame when it came down to talking hockey. I would doubt any combination of us would fill the breadth of his hockey knowledge.

Lol at "he puts the majority of us to shame". Based on what? Because he's a talking head on TV? Because he is THE Ron McLean? Well, I disagree, so what? It's an opinion I've had of him for a while. He's not an analyst, he's a host, and for a reason. He controls other personalities (does this very well) while offering no real insight. And now he comes out with the rest of them, slobbering on the Oiler's junk, well hooray for him.

So what if I think this? What do you care? You his little brother or something? My opinion is fueled by his opinion, it's funny how that works. When you say stupid shiat, people tend to call you out on it, Ron McLean is no different. Maybe you have some examples of rational hockey insight he's had, or even some previous predictions that have come true, that would balance out his asinine prediction?

He either thinks McDavid will solve everything or that Chiarelli will make all the right moves, guaranteed. There is NOTHING there at the moment that makes me believe either/both scenarios are likely, especially within 2-4 years. To me he sounds like a fanboy you'd come across at HF saying stuff like that. Obviously he's more knowledgeable than that... I think.

Originally Posted by dammage79

Pretty inconsiderate thing say because one guy has an opinion on the Oilers.

lol, inconsiderate, it's called an opinion. I didn't say he was a dumb goofball, I said I don't think he knows much more about hockey than the average fan, oh the freaking horror of it all! Seriously, are you related to him? I in no way said anything offensive about the man but you sure got your knickers in a knot over it anyway.

Originally Posted by dammage79

And to the point, who cares is Ron Maclean thinks the Oilers are Cup bound in two years time? Lump him in with every single other reporter out there that has made the one and same prediction in the last decade about those Oilers.

You just contradicted yourself. You go from saying he knows more about hockey than most of this board to lumping him in with the local journalists that make the same brain dead predictions. WTF?

[Qwerty]

If i was picking teams to win the cup in the next 4 years both Calgary and Edmonton would be high on the list with TB and Chicago and Anaheim

They better be a contender in 4 years, Just as te Flames better

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by heep223

Any success they have is going to have an asterisk beside it. At the very least we can continue to chirp them about this if they become good.


Edmonton Oilers make the playoffs!*



*but they've had so many first overall picks that we've lost count, so big whoop

I doubt it. The Hawks and Penguins were garbage for years before having a few monster drafts. I haven't seen any asterisks near their cup wins. I will make sure to note Edmonton's futility if they ever achieve any lvl of success. As a Flames fan it will just come across as being butt hurt to other hockey fans most likely though. History forgets it seems once you get back to winning.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If you believe that I have a very nice bridge to sell you. Ron MacLean would put majority of us to shame when it came down to talking hockey. I would doubt any combination of us would fill the breadth of his hockey knowledge.

Pretty inconsiderate thing say because one guy has an opinion on the Oilers.

And to the point, who cares is Ron Maclean thinks the Oilers are Cup bound in two years time? Lump him in with every single other reporter out there that has made the one and same prediction in the last decade about those Oilers.

Ron MacLean is an idiot, irrespective of his opinion on the Oilers. The fact that he's on TV doesn't make him a smart hockey man. Mike Milbury and Eric Francis are also on TV. As are Doug MacLean and Nick Kypreos.

[Looch City]

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[Erick Estrada]

This is great stuff. I hope the Oilers players take all this good press in and get intoxicated on the offseason hype. Once again the media hook, line, and sinker fall for the team with the sexy first overall draft pick totally ignoring the past and present.

[calumniate]

I thought this was Doug Maclean at first. Ron makes a lot more sense!

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Lol at "he puts the majority of us to shame". Based on what? Because he's a talking head on TV? Because he is THE Ron McLean? Well, I disagree, so what? It's an opinion I've had of him for a while. He's not an analyst, he's a host, and for a reason. He controls other personalities (does this very well) while offering no real insight. And now he comes out with the rest of them, slobbering on the Oiler's junk, well hooray for him.

So what if I think this? What do you care? You his little brother or something? My opinion is fueled by his opinion, it's funny how that works. When you say stupid shiat, people tend to call you out on it, Ron McLean is no different. Maybe you have some examples of rational hockey insight he's had, or even some previous predictions that have come true, that would balance out his asinine prediction?

He either thinks McDavid will solve everything or that Chiarelli will make all the right moves, guaranteed. There is NOTHING there at the moment that makes me believe either/both scenarios are likely, especially within 2-4 years. To me he sounds like a fanboy you'd come across at HF saying stuff like that. Obviously he's more knowledgeable than that... I think.



lol, inconsiderate, it's called an opinion. I didn't say he was a dumb goofball, I said I don't think he knows much more about hockey than the average fan, oh the freaking horror of it all! Seriously, are you related to him? I in no way said anything offensive about the man but you sure got your knickers in a knot over it anyway.



You just contradicted yourself. You go from saying he knows more about hockey than most of this board to lumping him in with the local journalists that make the same brain dead predictions. WTF?

In no way did I contradict myself. If you want to quote me properly how about the fact I said every single other media person. Name any mainstream media person and they've said it too. Bobby Mac, Dreger, Kypreos etc etc. of course I just laid out a perfectly easy argument or "opinion" for you to completely undermine their hockey knowledge as well. I have opinions that are bad too doesn't mean I don't get called on them either. Your opinion of MacLean being as knowledgeable as an average fan is stupid. Take some time to listen to him talk about the history of the game, the current state of the game and tell me otherwise. I doubt you'll find a truer student of the game than Ron Maclean. You can "LOL" all you want but it doesn't make my original post less true. That man can pin you down on midget to minor hockey trivia/knowledge all around the country let alone just the NHL. Then there's the NHL! man alive there's not more than 5 or 6 people you can have access to that know more about the game.

Do I like Ron Maclean or his sometimes outlandish opinions? I wouldn't say I'm an avid follower but I damned well respect the mand enough to give him the respect he deserves. He's been doing HNIC since I was 7 years old.

If you think you or any number of posters on this site have a broader knowledge of hockey, well like I said, I have a really nice bridge to sell you.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Ron MacLean is an idiot, irrespective of his opinion on the Oilers. The fact that he's on TV doesn't make him a smart hockey man. Mike Milbury and Eric Francis are also on TV. As are Doug MacLean and Nick Kypreos.

Hey, Kypreos was pretty good this year! Actually, better than pretty good, he was very good. Idiots like Doug MacLean were dragging him down, but when he was with Friedman and Hrudey this year, he held his own and had some good insight.

Other than that, I completely agree with you.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by dammage79

In no way did I contradict myself. If you want to quote me properly how about the fact I said every single other media person. Name any mainstream media person and they've said it too. Bobby Mac, Dreger, Kypreos etc etc. of course I just laid out a perfectly easy argument or "opinion" for you to completely undermine their hockey knowledge as well. I have opinions that are bad too doesn't mean I don't get called on them either. Your opinion of MacLean being as knowledgeable as an average fan is stupid. Take some time to listen to him talk about the history of the game, the current state of the game and tell me otherwise. I doubt you'll find a truer student of the game than Ron Maclean. You can "LOL" all you want but it doesn't make my original post less true. That man can pin you down on midget to minor hockey trivia/knowledge all around the country let alone just the NHL. Then there's the NHL! man alive there's not more than 5 or 6 people you can have access to that know more about the game.

Do I like Ron Maclean or his sometimes outlandish opinions? I wouldn't say I'm an avid follower but I damned well respect the mand enough to give him the respect he deserves. He's been doing HNIC since I was 7 years old.

If you think you or any number of posters on this site have a broader knowledge of hockey, well like I said, I have a really nice bridge to sell you.

MacLean knows a lot about hockey history... I'm not so sure he knows much about hockey present though. Opinions like those expressed in this thread aren't helping his reputation much either.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

MacLean knows a lot about hockey history... I'm not so sure he knows much about hockey present though. Opinions like those expressed in this thread aren't helping his reputation much either.

This is true, he does know a lot about the history of the game, I should give him credit for that. He's a classic book smart guy, but I wouldn't pay him to analyze the game.

[jayswin]

The thing with MacLean IIRC is that he's pretty level headed, likes the Flames more than most Canadian teams, but his thing with Edmonton is I believe he's pretty good friends with the old boys club; Lowe, McTavish etc.

And you know how those guys are, so it wouldn't surprise me if there's a little extra love for the Oilers because of those friendships and a little extra incentive to butter them up in the media to counter the constant, justified negativity towards them.

Wasn't it McLean who was very quick to start talking up the Oilers 4 or 5 years ago, too?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dammage79

In no way did I contradict myself. If you want to quote me properly how about the fact I said every single other media person. Name any mainstream media person and they've said it too. Bobby Mac, Dreger, Kypreos etc etc.

When did those guys fellate the Oilers to the point where they are predicting a cup? Must've missed that.

Originally Posted by dammage79

Your opinion of MacLean being as knowledgeable as an average fan is stupid. Take some time to listen to him talk about the history of the game, the current state of the game and tell me otherwise. I doubt you'll find a truer student of the game than Ron Maclean. You can "LOL" all you want but it doesn't make my original post less true. That man can pin you down on midget to minor hockey trivia/knowledge all around the country let alone just the NHL. Then there's the NHL! man alive there's not more than 5 or 6 people you can have access to that know more about the game..

He knows about hockey in general, yes. He's very book smart with an encyclopedic knowledge of history and he is a great story teller. I have listened to him my whole life as well. I just don't value his opinions on the way the NHL runs or predicting success/failure of teams. My favorite is his interviews with Bettman, a lot of his shortcomings are really exposed there. Just like if you got him in a room with NHL GMs, or even a bunch of hardcore fans, I'd bet he'd be out of his element discussing team composition, salary cap, strategy, who is good, who is not, trade values, etc. He has his strengths, he has his weaknesses... apparently knowing what pieces a team needs to become a contender is not one of his strengths. Or he's just an Edmonton fan that can't suppress his bias.

Originally Posted by dammage79

If you think you or any number of posters on this site have a broader knowledge of hockey, well like I said, I have a really nice bridge to sell you.

Yes, I heard you the first time. It's a very funny and original joke.

[GreenLantern2814]

If Calgary is building to be the new Chicago, then Edmonton is building the new Dallas. Some of the most insanely talented forwards ever assembled, an offense that literally has teams shaking in their shoes, and a litany of 5-4 losses.

[Vulcan]

He's an Oiler fan boy from Red Deer and it's just his fan boy persona coming out.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

Hey, Kypreos was pretty good this year! Actually, better than pretty good, he was very good. Idiots like Doug MacLean were dragging him down, but when he was with Friedman and Hrudey this year, he held his own and had some good insight.

Other than that, I completely agree with you.

Kypreos was absolute dynamite this year, imo. Someone pointed out that sportsnet was likely molding him into their version of Don Cherry for a lot of years which made him appear more silly/over the top/annoying.

But Roger's buying hockey night in Canada and combining all the best talent on one network allowed Kypreos to settle down and just provide analysis instead of trying to play a bit of a character, and the results are fantastic.

We complain so much as fans, and a lot of it is justified, but I will say for the first time in my entire hockey watching life I've found a segment that I actually look forward to and go out of my way to watch, and that's Strombo, Kypreos, Freidman and Hrudey.

That panel is an absolute treat to watch. You really get a sense that you're getting honest, smart analysis when they're on and they're all confident and comfortable there which goes a long ways on TV.

There's nothing worse than watching weaker panels where the guys are more focused on their body movements and voice inflections than what they're actually saying. Which wouldn't matter anyways because what they're saying is usually quite forgettable.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

When did those guys fellate the Oilers to the point where they are predicting a cup? Must've missed that.

Every year after Hall, Nuge drafts. Pretty much right up until they turned on the Oilers which was what? 2 years ago?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Every year after Hall, Nuge drafts. Pretty much right up until they turned on the Oilers which was what? 2 years ago?

I don't recall any predictions of a championship from any of those guys like what McLean just said. I could see local hacks like Jones or bloggers like Lambert spouting tripe like that, but I don't remember any of the big boys saying anything of the sort. Could be wrong though.

Yes, I will think less of them if you can produce a link.